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    Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    So it has now started to re-enable the Update rollout for its Windows Insider community.
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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Based on feedback from the April 2018 update Microsoft sought to remove an extra empty copy of Known Folders on the updated devices but due to a change in the updated construction sequence and clashes with user Known Folders and interactions with OneDrive it seemed like this data was deleted in the 1809 update. It wasn’t, though, and thus Microsoft can help affected users recover their original old folder location and its contents.
    Wait, so if users had migrated certain folders to another location, but kept some of the contents at the original location, that wasn't deleted? That sounds wrong. Anyway, what idiot wrote the coding for this, surely it should have included a basic check to see if the folders being deleted actually had content contained within?

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Anyway, what idiot wrote the coding for this, surely it should have included a basic check to see if the folders being deleted actually had content contained within?
    I was drunk, leave me be.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    I was drunk, leave me be.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    So, if I understand this correctly, after all the guff about KFR and OneDrive, etc, what they've done is remove a folder (of user data) that ought to be empty, without checking that it actually is?

    Someone tell me I'm reading that wrong. Otherwise, which prize plum did that? Oh, never mind.

    Makes me glad I never use MyAnything under Windows. I keep my data where I wznt it, organised how I want it, in a manner designed to facilitate my backup and archiving regime. Also makes me glad I don't use W10, and is an examlle of why it is not, for me, ever acceptable for MS to decide on the timing or implementation of updates, just in case they screw around with where I actually fo keep data - which, by the way, is never, ever ever on the C: drive.
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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Agreed. I LOL'd at that, too.
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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Makes me glad I never use MyAnything under Windows. I keep my data where I wznt it, organised how I want it, in a manner designed to facilitate my backup and archiving regime. Also makes me glad I don't use W10, and is an examlle of why it is not, for me, ever acceptable for MS to decide on the timing or implementation of updates, just in case they screw around with where I actually fo keep data - which, by the way, is never, ever ever on the C: drive.
    Me too, I have done for years as it makes backups a lot easier like you say. I even move the 'myAnything' folders to another drive just incase, then unplug the drive whenever I do a clean install too lol. Luckily I've got windows pro so I can 'disable' the updates so they only install when I say 'yes' but I normally try to do a full update (eventually lol) from scratch with these sorts of updates anyway.

    Having said that from what I understand this was primarily people who forced the update that got caught out by this bug, while I'm not saying the bug should have been there, the update wasn't forced on anyone from what I've read.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    I've given up and decided to use Ubuntu.
    Windows Update is a joke.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    ....

    Having said that from what I understand this was primarily people who forced the update that got caught out by this bug, while I'm not saying the bug should have been there, the update wasn't forced on anyone from what I've read.
    I take the point about ho gorced what .... this time. But, and bear in mind I refused to use W10 (other than on a test system) as I understood it, back when I decided not to go W10, it was only 'Enterprise' thst could block updates, and Pro could only defer it. For a limited period.

    My rejection of W10 was based on several factors, but certainly, MS usurping control over updates, when and even if thry were applied, was a major one.

    For my major machines, I have duplicate sets of hard drives, loaded via trayless removable bays. I regard C as simply a boot drive, D as applications, and different categories of data on other drives. So, before letting ANY update run, I carefully back up all data, then mirror all drives to the duplicate, physically remove the masters, then boot from the dupe C drive snd update THAT.

    That all takes time. Then, I test everything as thoroughly as possible, which takes even more time, before committing to the new version.

    This is why it MUST be fone at a time of my choosing, not ehrn I have urgent work or looming deadlines.


    But my broader point is that updates, service packs, nww versions, etc, can have a detrimental effect. I found once before, years before W10, that a couple of entire software packages wouldn't run, at all, on the new OS, one of which was my CRM.

    Now I could have found a new CRM, and copied/ported about 15 years of historical data over. I reckon it'd have taken me a month. Or I could just leave that system running my CRM, under XP! indefinitely, Which is what I did.

    But I can't do that if MS decide try to force, deferred or not, updates onto my systems, when they feel like it
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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    So, if I understand this correctly, after all the guff about KFR and OneDrive, etc, what they've done is remove a folder (of user data) that ought to be empty, without checking that it actually is?
    Sounds like it.

    One in 10000 users, that's about 70000 people would have lost data if they just rolled it out. But they didn't, so they seem to be learning.

    If Microsoft had a more up to date filesystem than the now ancient NTFS then the data would be on a snapshot. But even then it should also be on a backup.

    Edit: I notice the article says:

    It wasn’t, though, and thus Microsoft can help affected users recover their original old folder location and its contents.
    But the blog entry only says they will try and help get data back but you should minimize use of the device, so sounds to me like it really was deleted and this is a recovery effort.
    Last edited by DanceswithUnix; 11-10-2018 at 08:05 AM.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    if MS decide try to force, deferred or not, updates onto my systems, when they feel like it
    This is the definite downside to Windows 10, the lack of control over the updates installed. Luckily I have Pro so can defer them to an extent, but it isn't granular control like previous versions of Windows. I may have to look at the enterprise edition, because I truly despise the Windows update system in Windows 10.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    What's just as troubling is that the Windows Insiders program of public beta* test volunteers was supposed to catch this stuff. And it did. Twice. Reported (and seconded by several others,) back in June and again in September.

    Why have these people feeding back if you're going to ignore it.

    *There's a very persuasive theory that Windows Insiders are alpha testers, Joe public on the retail build is the beta tester and the stable build is the enterprise/LTSB version. Most vividly described to me as like clearing a minefield with a flock of sheep: it's effective, but occasionally causes a lot of mess & noise.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    It isn’t the known issues in Win10 that concern me - more the unknown ones.
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    Yea, the auto update is a pain. Thinking if i should go to Ubuntu?

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    I take the point about ho gorced what .... this time. But, and bear in mind I refused to use W10 (other than on a test system) as I understood it, back when I decided not to go W10, it was only 'Enterprise' thst could block updates, and Pro could only defer it. For a limited period.
    Still running version 1703, which is 2 (I think) major updates back. It's nowhere near as good as windows 7/8 in regards to control but apart from the 'there are updates' pop ups that I can't seem to stop and literally stop me from doing ANYTHING until I click the box, even if I'm in the middle of a full screen game (really annoying I must say) it has stopped updates. Is it perfect, hell no, and I suspect if I took a lot longer digging I could stop the stupid pop up but I agree that the old version was a lot better, I'd love the old 'tick box' for each update back for example.

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    Re: Microsoft fixes known issues in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    god help you if you had a small ssd as your boot thou. cos your profile gets purged... and overwritten. And recovery of files from an SSD is problematic anyway due to trim and block reuse. And this is why i keep my files on spinning rust drives. #incase

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