Principled Technologies (PT) responds to i9-9900K test queries

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PT’s tests were behind Intel's “world’s best gaming processor” claims at the launch.

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Really interesting view, people should also watch this from Jim @ AdoredTV which gives a bit of a history lesson in how Intel has distorted benchmarks in the past through Sysmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V8pEsjNa4Q

So, let me get this straight. When AMD launched their CPU's, intel fanboys called upon using 4k as benchmark as useless because...reasons.

Now when Intel does their benchmarks in 1080p, AMD fanboys calls them useless because...reasons

oh, internet

Putting the deeply flawed testing of the 2700x aside for a moment does anyone think it's rather strange that in most of their test the 9980XE and 9900X suck so badly at gaming? I mean the article shows a screen shot of Assassins Creed with a 5-8% benchmark deficit and 10% lower FPS but if you look at some of the other results in the PDF the 9980XE and 9900X are like 40-50% slower.

I know they're higher core CPUs but if you compare PT results of 9980XE and 9900X to TR the Intel high core count (8+) CPUs really suck.

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Originally Posted by aniilv

So, let me get this straight. When AMD launched their CPU's, intel fanboys called upon using 4k as benchmark as useless because...reasons.

Now when Intel does their benchmarks in 1080p, AMD fanboys calls them useless because...reasons

oh, internet

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It goes far deeper than simply different resolutions, PT set 'game mode' for the 2700x and so disabled half the cores, they used a top end heatsink for Intel and TR but used the out of the box one for the 2700x, they used 64GB of RAM in four banks, and that's just some of the problems people have with the way PT tested.

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Cooler choice: We chose Noctua for the CPU coolers, due to having almost identical systems in the NH-U14S (Intel) and NH-U14S TR4-SP3 (AMD), which allowed us to maintain a comparable thermal profile. Because we were not performing any overclocking on any configuration, and because AMD has said it was a good cooler, we stuck with the stock AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Wraith Prism cooler.

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How on Earth can they call this good testing methodology? They're changing more than one variable at a time! That's basic, primary school science!

I know it's tricky to get the coolers exactly the same, especially with Threadripper involved, but that shouldn't have stopped them trying to get them as similar as possible.

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Originally Posted by cptwhite_uk

Really interesting view, people should also watch this from Jim @ AdoredTV which gives a bit of a history lesson in how Intel has distorted benchmarks in the past through Sysmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V8pEsjNa4Q

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OT: Sorry but that guy has an accent that is very hard for me to follow what he is saying...

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Originally Posted by GinoLatino

OT: Sorry but that guy has an accent that is very hard for me to follow what he is saying...

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Would playing it at a slower speed help?

His accent is perfectly understandable.....unless you never met a Scotsman in real life!! :p

There are far more stronger Scottish accents!!

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Originally Posted by afiretruck

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Originally Posted by GinoLatino

OT: Sorry but that guy has an accent that is very hard for me to follow what he is saying...

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Would playing it at a slower speed help?

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I just tried, doesn't help much. English is not my native language, but I perfectly understand many other youtubers. This is just a strain.

I think the cooling solution is an easy one to do. Whilst if you're going for a real scientific approach you should eliminate it as a factor and go for nitrogen or something daft, we're not really going down that route here. The approach should be to replicate what consumers can reasonably achieve in the reduction of bottlenecks and also, it's important to remember that when you're testing a processor, the heat production is a characteristic which will affect performance and should therefore be see as a tested variable and not a confounding one to be minimised. I would simply therefore go for a model of AIO liquid cooler which has similar specifications (in terms of heat capacity and fan airflow, blah blah) which has adaptors for both CPUs under test. This is a reasonably high end solution which will reduce bottlenecking due to heat in most circumstances to what a consumer can reasonably achieve.

"Because AMD say it's a good cooler" means nothing in quantitative testing. You want numbers to make objective comparisons. Ford say their Fiesta is a good car but that's because they spent ages lying and covering up the occasional external combustion of the internal combustion engine within. If you're going to take a manufacturer's word on things like this then there is logically no point in benchmarking anything ever becuase we can just trust the manufacturer.

I still haven't found out who "Soldier Tim" is...

I wonder why people spend upwards of $500 on a cpu just to game. Gaming slows down economies coz that time wasted could be spent learning Angular or for MORE important things.

rookie mistake with game mode on the AMD. And they should have known that ppl would pick appart the data.

Marketing gone wrong. :popcorn:

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Originally Posted by lumireleon

... Angular or for MORE important things.

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Wait. There's more important things than Angular???

Anyone remember CTS flaws? I think even the most skeptical should have realised that AMD is being deliberately screwed from every angle because intel have nothing new or secure to offer.

"If you have admin access to an AMD system you could pose a security risk"
"If you turn off half of Ryzen's cores it's only 50% as fast"
"intel have a 28 core part that can do 5ghz on all cores"
"meltdown is an industry wide problem"

All of these statements were officially backed up by or given by intel, or more likely commissioned by them, looking at you CTS! All of these statements are misleading at best or outright lies at worst.

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Originally Posted by afiretruck

Wait. There's more important things than Angular???

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Almost literally *anything* is more important than Angular. Except R. R can sit down and shut up. :geek: