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Noice, that's some impressive crazy clocking!
This is totally and utterly irrelevant. Why? Because it doesn't matter what they, with their helium/nitrogen, can do with a chip. It's always going to be insane. What matters is what a reasonable person with a top of the range, long lasting cooling set up can do. Now personally I'd place this at a 360mm AIO liquid cooler. I think that a custom cooling loop is generally beyond the abilities of the average person (without significant time spent researching which takes it away from being average) and is also too potentially tempramental when built by an amateur to class as being reasonable. Also, a custom loop isn't likely to be massively better than a decent AIO... unless it's to one of those utterly giant rads which stands alone from your PC and so on.
Regardless, we have seen in reviews that even with the biggest and best AIO coolers, these chips run very, very hot and as a result are not suitable for serious overclocking by the home gamer. I saw some reviews where these chips get as hot as 100 degrees C with a mild overclock. That is utterly insane. My CPU is water cooled and even under intense load I've not seen it higher than 50 degrees C and I'm willing to bet that the performance at the resolutions I game at is the same within a few FPS.
So, in theory it's a nice marketing piece but in practice it's not representative of what you're actually investing into.
Sure it has no real world relevance to the average person, but it's still neat to see how it performs under extreme conditions. Though personally I do think that liquid helium is a complete waste on chips with no real world benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by philehidiot
Hmm - the only liquid to be applied directly to chips should be vinegar.
Honestly, I never thought I would see the day of 7.6GHz. That is damn impressive
Usain Bolt is the fastest man alive in a straight line.(context)Quote:
Originally Posted by philehidiot
It's totally and utterly irrelevant. Why? Because it doesn't matter what he, with his fast twitch muscles/extreme O2 sat to Muscle Fibre saturation, can do with his legs. it's always going to be insane. What matters is what I can do with my top of the range, long lasting muscle set up can do.
Pushing something as far as it can go is an achievement and they have achieved something.
This isn't practical, it isn't ever going to be mainstream and nor was it designed to be...it was a "but can I do it" and Der8auer can now say "yes, yes I could".
This isn't to do with Intels temps or performance, this was to push it as hard as it can go.
Impressive yes, but what is even more impressive than the fawning and paying lip service to Intel, is not once have I seen any site, ask Intel why it has taken them so long to produce chips with more than 4 cores, until AMD caught them with their pants down with Ryzen and low and behold, overnight they release new multicore cpu's. Obviouse answer, they owned the market and price gouged, hence I don't buy Intel. Value for money is what I look for, and Intel can't do that !
I don't want to pay lip service to Intel, but Hexus readers are known for trying to stick to the facts - the Intel chip I have in my home computer has more than four cores and was released over seven years before Ryzen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfclaw
He probably means consumer socket CPUs not HEDT.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
The x58 platform is a consumer socket.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
When I say irrelevant, perhaps I should have clarified that as irrelevant to the would-be customer and shouldn't influence a purchasing decision because it just isn't representative of what can be achieved by that customer.
For Intel it isn't as it lacks integrated graphics so won't be found in laptop. Socket 1366(which X58 used) supported dual sockets,so it isn't a consumer socket. Intel HEDT is targetted towards more professional deployments - just because hardcore enthusiasts on a tech forum might buy them,means diddly squat. I have not met anyone in the last 15 years who has an HEDT socket based system unless it is purely for work related stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Why would they when the consumer socket CPUs were more or less the same for far less money?? You had a Core i7 950 before,and yet anyone who was doing normal consumer workloads would have just bought a cheaper Core i7 860 instead.
Most of the deployments are for professional workstation usage,not for everyday people. Using your logic a Quadro is a consumer GPU just because you can plug it into a desktop.
Also your Xeon isn't a consumer socket CPU:
https://ark.intel.com/products/coden...34/Westmere-EP
It's practically the same thing as the i7 970/980 which were also greater than 4 core consumer parts. But regardless of 'consumer' or not the point still stands - Intel were selling greater than four core chips a long time before Ryzen.
Arguably as a response to the Athlon X6 perhaps? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Seriously though, Intel have had lots of cores for a long time, just not at prices most mortals could afford. I get the impression they decided that two or four cores was the correct number for home use and priced accordingly forcing their values onto my buying habits. That really rubs me up the wrong way (along with deciding that ECC memory is not a home feature).
Socket 1366 supports dual sockets,which is a server feature. He was making a point about consumer parts - you know that he was talking about that. You would know that as AMD also has had HEDT high core count CPUs too,ie,single socket HEDT/server CPUs which were using MCM. Noticed how he didn't mention those,and they had those for years - you could buy them on Scan.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
This is why most of the "consumer" market is on 2C and 4C CPUs to this day. Most people wouldn't even know WTF HEDT is ,let alone even look at them,which is why Intel barely markets them on TV or anywhere else. It might as well be a GT40 to their Mondeo.
Intel introduced the QX6700 as its first 4C CPU consumer socket CPU in November 2006. In 11 years they have stuck to 4C CPUs. If Kaby Lake had been 6C,Ryzen would have been in trouble,but Intel decided to refresh Skylake again,and gave AMD months to fix the issues at launch.