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The PC DIY segment may well see prices rising, motherboard makers face difficulty.
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The PC DIY segment may well see prices rising, motherboard makers face difficulty.
How might this go?
Intel tries to cover up the fact that it isn't making competitive 10nm CPUs by making them rarer than hens teeth so it can justify overcharging for what CPUs it can make.
Sensible people respond by continuing to buy AMD.
Surely having had its knuckles wrapped previously*, Intel wouldn't respond by trying to bribe/coerce system builders to use its (inferior) chips using the playbook of the athlon x64 era?
* (remember that law case?)
Intel... honestly this really makes it look they don't want to compete with AMD at the moment, people who buy prebuilt systems are likely less tech savvy and will just see 'intel' and think it's good.
Oh and the bit at the bottom, "There are some further interesting nuggets in the DigiTimes report linked above. It seems to suggest that sales of Nvidia Turing based GeForce graphics cards are low, due to pricing", simply makes me go who would have thought that making the latest cards even more expensive than already expensive gpu's would lower sales...
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Originally Posted by ik9000
Umm, no, Intel doesn't care about the law. It took nearly a decade to win 1.25B (FTC, then EU stole 1.5B giving none to AMD AFAIK...LOL typical) and they made 60B over the time in income. If I was Intel (or MSFT, they had about the same case), I'd break the law every chance I got and laugh about how rich I got while keeping the competition down for all that decade. Until fines are MUCH larger (say, all of your 60B you made during the ripoff years, or at least 2/3) and go DIRECTLY to the company damaged (in this case AMD), there is no point in ANY large company playing by the rules. You still win even after ~2.75B in fines and 60B in your coffers while killing your competition until the suit is over. I'd say Intel is happy to have the ~57B and a weaker AMD. AMD lost fabs, gave up cpu race for ~5-6yrs, lost gpu (NV rules, period, even when AMD wins a gen, it means nothing as NV just prices down until they're on top again, just like Intel until now it seems), lost 30% engineers, lost R&D (lowered every year for ages, maybe going up now, not sure Q report coming). etc etc.
Nope, I'd trash any law and laugh. Business is ruthless. Not saying it's right, just why wouldn't you cheat with puny fines and all I mentioned. I had to buy AMD boards from ASUS in WHITE BOXES and had NO NAME silkscreened on the motherboards (PC biz owner for ~decade). I knew they were ASUS, but still, it sucked explaining this crap repeatedly to customers etc. It was difficult to push AMD (and I did!) with all the shenanigans from Intel. ASUS was so afraid of losing the next chipset access (whatever it was) that they wouldn't put their name on the box or Mboard.
NV cards not selling well is a product of last gen being pretty comparable to them if you take RTX crap out of the equation, which most can until you have dozens of games running it great. AMD has tried to sell the future for ages and it doesn't work. SELL me what I DO TODAY and you sell more chips. AMD keeps claiming 4k makes our cards run great...LOL. Umm, you can't claim that crap when the entire market is 1200p or less. IE, 1.3% are 4k according to steam hardware survey, and only 3.52% are 1440p. So again, MAKE your design do what we do TODAY or die. Also, not enough oomph in RTX stuff yet, at 7nm though, they will run off the shelves again, as they should be FAR more capable just by doubling or tripling the RTX cores etc and bumping up the regular side a bit. That will make the card again worth buying and not stuck at 1080p and barely doing raytracing etc.
IE BF5 tests at toms shows basically 1080p for this new stuff (and barely), which while OK in terms of market, doesn't seem worth it for most. Too slow and you'd turn it off for fps in a shooter. It might work later in other games that aren't so FPS dependent (maybe strategy or rpg or something games?). A shooter that you turn the tech off in if you have a brain in your head was a bad starter choice on Nvidia's behalf IMHO. Having said that, they'll just drop the price for a Q or two when AMD 7nm hits, and respond accordingly with their own 7nm to trash the AMD cards at that point. Until then they just sell to suckers with no AMD compeitition? :)
Yes, I'm an equal opportunity basher ;) Great tech and cards, just too high vs. current NV tech (1080ti needs to drop etc, and these slot in, then price works). New tech that is usually turned off, is just seeding the market, they need to price it as such to get the tech off the ground. But hey, raise the price until the market stops you. They just got stopped :) Suffer slow sales for a bit and price drop a few weeks before AMD 7nm hits to clean some supply off the shelves. Just wait a few months people, and you'll get an RTX card at last gen prices. Then get ready for 7nm price hike as NV dominates AMD 7nm surely in watts/heat/probably perf as AMD refuses to sell what we ACTUALLY do (GAME!) and instead give us 4k-8k claims next etc, wasted mining transistors, wasted compute junk, wasted expensive (shortages too) HBM/HBM2 crap etc and this kills pricing. NV wins usually because they concentrate on FPS at the res most people play 1080p! They get the best margins because they USUALLY don't waste money on crap like HBM, and have less shortage issues to boot. RTX tech isn't wasted crap, just not ready yet until software and more cores get added to the gpu. If they had launched this tech with 7nm we wouldn't be reading or talking about this.
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