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Well that entirely depends on how much you value a premium gaming experience. If you've already spent £300 on a CPU, £200 on a motherboard, £300 on RAM, £1100 on a GPU, £200 on a case, £400 on a chair, £200 on a desk, £180 on a keyboard, £250 on a mouse... etc. etc. etc. then what is an extra £200 on a display that displays everything perfectly?
Sure, FreeSync is good, but G-SYNC is better, and I'm happy to pay the £200 premium.
At this point, I think it's really important to clarify that you have received products from nVidia for free, Hoonigan. It is completely disingenuous to give statements such as the above without making that situation very clear, and risks reducing the quality of Hexus debates.
outwar6010 (15-01-2019)
Have I?
The only thing worse than commenting on a manufacturer that you've received freebies from is trying to cover it up and deceive other users. Such behaviour is really not Hexus. I'm not against the practice of manufacturers giving products out, but it should be openly declared, like reputable review sites do.
outwar6010 (15-01-2019)
I find your claims to be a bit.. Outlandish.. To say the least. You have based these claims on absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
I have never received a GPU from NVIDIA, for review nor to keep. My RTX GPU was bought and paid for via a well known online retailer.
Perhaps you should take your messages elsewhere instead of attempting to cause damage which isn't warranted or deserved.
I would appreciate it if you'd either provide some concrete evidence to prove my actions or remove your post. I have also PM'd you.
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Right guys - and you now who I mean!
This petty spat stops now or I’ll be awarding points - and in this case points don’t mean prizes.
If there is any firm evidence of shill posting, then I want to see it by PM. The rules and norms are quite clear, if you think there is something wrong with a post, use the report post button.
And if technolgy a is ‘better’ (depending on your definition of ‘better’ let’s see some evidence of that too!
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Thanks Peterb. I'd also like to see the evidence suggesting I'm being some kind of NVIDIA shill. I will hold my hands up and tell anyone that manufacturers do allow reviewers like myself to keep items quite often, but I've never received anything from NVIDIA, not even so much as a t-shirt or a flash drive, nor have I done any kind of GPU review for NVIDIA or AMD. They're dealt with by a colleague and I have no input whatsoever.
Both my NVIDIA GPU and Z35P G-SYNC monitor were bought through the proper channels at a price anyone is able to get them at.
Phage (16-01-2019)
So a manufacturer tells you in their tests their competitor is bad and you believe them because they say they are good? They must see you coming a mile away.Not really, when you think about it. There're plenty of G-SYNC panels on the market, from different manufacturers, in a range of sizes and refresh rates, so they can't be that hard to please. It just shows that most FreeSync panels aren't that good and NVIDIA don't want to put their name on them.
Nvidia wanted to sell their expensive proprietary tech to montior manufacturers then they realised the open standard (which can vary in quailtiy because its open) and the manufacturer that supported it was selling well and people considered only supporting g-sync a negative so they changed to support the open standard as well to remove that negative opinion. Then they say the monitors they make money from are better than the ones they dont so you still buy the g-sync montiors but now say "hey isn't it greater they support freesync", there's no alturistim into they way they test competitors products. That's not to say that there is no potential difference in quailtiy but they are always going to say their product is better regardless. Remember that Intel cpu benchmark?
No, I've tested both, and many tests have shown positives between the two standards, but NVIDIA's control over both the GPU and the monitor's scaler module help to ensure a more pleasant experience.
For example, AMD's FreeSync features no built-in v-sync which means if the monitor is capable of 120Hz but the GPU is pushing out 150 frames, tearing can occur at the top end because the GPU has gone outside of the FreeSync's working range. This does reduce input lag a small amount compared to G-SYNC, but it introduces tearing. From that, you could probably claim that AMD's implementation is better, but once you look at AAA titles where framerates are lower, usually around the 40-60 mark and is arguably what FreeSync and G-SYNC is designed for instead of high FPS gaming, that's when G-SYNC really steps up to the plate and delivers markedly lower response times with a more stable experience.
Really, it depends on what you're more susceptible to, and there are way more comparisons than just v-sync being on or off or response times, but I honestly preferred using the G-SYNC monitor to a FreeSync alternative at the same refresh rate.
Like I said earlier too, the price premium is there, but with the overall cost of PC gaming easily being £1000-£2000, the "G-SYNC Tax" isn't that much to ask, in my opinion.
I'm sure I would have noticed if that were the case. I haven't, it isn't the case and I don't believe it ever has been. From memory you choose whether you want tearing in the settings when it goes over range. I hate tearing, so I turned it off.
The weak point of freesync was traditionally when you went *under* the panel's range, that was fixed some time back in a driver update if you have a panel good enough for low frame rate compensation.
Really, the fact that some panels are capable of passing Nvidia's test shows that there is nothing fundamentally flawed in the technology. But many panels out there have a limited frequency range that would never pass, many have a colour reproduction that would never pass but at a price that a Gsync panel could never match. I would love to know why the Samsung panel my daughter loves so much isn't in the list, I presume from the way only manufacturers starting with "A" and one monitor from "Benq" means that they haven't started testing companies starting with the letter S yet
... anyway, I still haven't seen mention of whether this driver allows freesync over hdmi. I get that for high end gaming the extra testing that Nvidia do is welcome and the tax isn't significant, but I deal with a lot of people playing at the lower end where a £90 monitor is a very significant purchase where the free part of freesync really comes in.
That's absolutely a strong suit of the G-SYNC panels, with most of them offering 1Hz - xxxHz operation. AMD's solution is to introduce copying of frames which does a good job of combating the issue.
That's where there's no argument, if someone's budget is so strictly confined then a G-SYNC panel just will not fit. But that doesn't mean G-SYNC is overpriced, just out of budget, which is where my argument lies, for the most part, in this thread.
Hmm, I disagree with your opinion.
Take two "similar" monitors, one Freesync, one G-Sync. For example;
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/245-...-hdmi-2x-usb-3 - £499.99
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/245-...1ms-adjustable - £401.99
That's not a small tax, that's essentially 20% more for a very similar monitor. Admittedly it's a tiny sample size, and Asus is already expensive anyway. However that price difference is one between buying a Vega 64 and an RTX 2070. So if you went for the cheaper option on both of those, that could mean a 1TB NVMe drive compared to a 500GB NVMe drive, plus change left over.
The point being is that to go with G-Sync, alongside the additional cost of the GPU in the first place, can mean a not so insignificant difference somewhere else in someone's budget.
My entire point is, it depends what you will get out of the PC. If having 500GB more of NVMe storage will make your gaming more enjoyable than having G-SYNC then that's your choice to make.
If you want the best gaming experience, G-SYNC is the way to go. If you want faster access to your MP3s and videos instead of installing a 500GB HDD to fill the gap, go FreeSync.
I know I've picked one little piece out of your entire message, but the whole thing boils down to that small fact.
I tell you what would be interesting. If someone would review two very similar models like that. One with G-SYNC and one with FreeSync and test them for colour accuracy, input lag, brightness, contrast etc.
Just to see if the G-SYNC cost is purely for the module or if there's extra benefit.
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