Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 30

Thread: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Video published by Intel Graphics on Twitter appeals to engineers looking for a challenge.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    35,176
    Thanks
    3,121
    Thanked
    3,173 times in 1,922 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    If they do it... and how I pray they do... the graphics market can be a proper fight... at last!

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  3. #3
    chj
    chj is offline
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    301
    Thanks
    23
    Thanked
    14 times in 11 posts
    • chj's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P6X58D-E
      • CPU:
      • Intel I7 950
      • Memory:
      • 12GB DDR3
      • Storage:
      • SATA SSD/HDD combo
      • Graphics card(s):
      • NVIDIA GTX 780Ti

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Hope so, is there a roadmap of development or still too early?

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    2,385
    Thanks
    181
    Thanked
    304 times in 221 posts

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    That's a lot of big talk. But pushing a graphics architecture in such a short window I hope they can pull it off how they say they are else they'll be a laughing stock.

    It still goes that you can't just throw money, people and resources and it'll magically produce a winning product. But then again, Intel is so big and has so much money, they could somewhat design and build a product at a loss to compete with Nvidia in the HALO space and soak up losses for a while and build mindshare.

    I wonder if, because of this, Nvidia may move into the CPU space (properly) in the next decade. Because it was original Intel vs AMD and ATI vs Nvidia. Now it is AMD vs Intel and AMD vs Nvidia. Soon it is going to be Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia and AMD vs Intel. But Intel and AMD will both have an advantage over Nvidia because they can build their hardware to work more intrinsically together?

    And I hope Raja just doesn't spaff out an AMD architecture, they slap a new badge on it and go "hey everyone, look what we sto...cop...created!"

  5. #5
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    33
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    I wonder if, because of this, Nvidia may move into the CPU space (properly) in the next decade. Because it was original Intel vs AMD and ATI vs Nvidia. Now it is AMD vs Intel and AMD vs Nvidia. Soon it is going to be Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia and AMD vs Intel. But Intel and AMD will both have an advantage over Nvidia because they can build their hardware to work more intrinsically together?
    They already have an ARM license, but do you honestly think Intel will give them a x86 one? Of course they won't.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    My happy place
    Posts
    230
    Thanks
    75
    Thanked
    16 times in 14 posts
    • afiretruck's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte X399 Designare Ex
      • CPU:
      • AMD Threadripper 1900X
      • Memory:
      • Corsair 32GB 3200MHz
      • Storage:
      • 2x 250GB NVMe + 2x 1TB SATA
      • Graphics card(s):
      • RX Vega 64 + GTX 970
      • PSU:
      • Corsair RMi 850
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define R6
      • Operating System:
      • Linux Mint 19
      • Monitor(s):
      • Screeny

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Quote Originally Posted by DerbyDave View Post
    They already have an ARM license, but do you honestly think Intel will give them a x86 one? Of course they won't.
    They'd have to go to AMD for the x86-64 license, at least. Not sure if they'd then have to ask Intel for the base x86 license as well.

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    120
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    7 times in 6 posts
    • YazX's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-V
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i7 3770k @ 4.5 Ghz
      • Memory:
      • Crucial Tactical Tracer DDR3 16 GB
      • Storage:
      • 128 GB Samsung SSD, 256 GB Crucial SSD, 4 TB Caviar Black
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW
      • PSU:
      • EVGA SuperNova G1 1000W
      • Case:
      • CM Haf-X
      • Operating System:
      • W10 64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Qnix 27" 2560x1440
      • Internet:
      • 16 Mbps

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    yawn, isnt this the same dude who used to keep talking every year when he was at AMD and at the end, a mediocre product release, so yah right.

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    2,385
    Thanks
    181
    Thanked
    304 times in 221 posts

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Quote Originally Posted by afiretruck View Post
    They'd have to go to AMD for the x86-64 license, at least. Not sure if they'd then have to ask Intel for the base x86 license as well.
    I think they'd need to license some of Itanium instruction sets IIRC?

    There is a cross licensing agreement between AMD and Intel on the x86 to share the improvements from both sides. That's why when microsoft was looking at doing emulation/bare metal on ARM, Intel went in heavy saying they'll sue if their proprietary instruction sets are infringed.

    They would have to license x86 from AMD and the other improvements from Intel.

  9. #9
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    14
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    To support the full x86 instruction set you would have to license:
    x86 from Intel
    x86-64 from AMD as this only covers the 64 bit extensions to the original x86 architecture.
    Intel also had their own x86-64 extensions so you might need some of those (non-Itanium ones).

    IIRC the only other company that has licenses to build hardware for this is possible VIA with their EPIA chips like the Nano. They haven't really produced anything new for a good number of years and seem to be doing some stuff with ARM.

  10. #10
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Video published by Intel Graphics on Twitter appeals to engineers looking for a challenge.
    I can assure you it doesn't

    So many red flags there. I should be the target audience for that video, but it just tells me there isn't a bargepole long enough.
    Last edited by DanceswithUnix; 31-01-2019 at 04:09 PM.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    2,385
    Thanks
    181
    Thanked
    304 times in 221 posts

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I can assure you it doesn't

    So many red flags there. I should be the target audience for that video, but it just tells me there isn't a bargepole long enough.
    Twitter seems to have become the defacto new podium it seems.

    But if it's on the twitter and not on Intels Newsroom, is it even worth taking notice of?

    In other news, Intel just named their new CEO which is Bob.

  12. Received thanks from:

    Pleiades (01-02-2019)

  13. #12
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    I wonder if, because of this, Nvidia may move into the CPU space (properly) in the next decade.
    I think they burnt a lot of bridges with Tegra and now a lot of companies won't use them. It's a shame, my Nvidia tablet is one of the best I have used. I hope that the Switch being a success gives them a push and they get Denver back in the limelight.

    I don't see them ever having an Intel license though. That was made quite clear in their last agreement after litigation with Intel that they weren't allowed to so much as emulate an x86 in software, and I don't see the relationship between the two companies improving.

    Last I heard they were creating a RISC-V core to embed in their graphics cards. If that is decent performance they could be at the start of the wave of uptake for RISC-V and maybe do some interesting hardware based around that.

  14. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    2,385
    Thanks
    181
    Thanked
    304 times in 221 posts

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I think they burnt a lot of bridges with Tegra and now a lot of companies won't use them. It's a shame, my Nvidia tablet is one of the best I have used. I hope that the Switch being a success gives them a push and they get Denver back in the limelight.

    I don't see them ever having an Intel license though. That was made quite clear in their last agreement after litigation with Intel that they weren't allowed to so much as emulate an x86 in software, and I don't see the relationship between the two companies improving.

    Last I heard they were creating a RISC-V core to embed in their graphics cards. If that is decent performance they could be at the start of the wave of uptake for RISC-V and maybe do some interesting hardware based around that.
    Ooh, a RISC-V core in their GPUs could be really neat! I would really like RISC-V to have an uptick, a massive community influenced general compute system that's open source to all, me likey.

    Nvidia are pretty good at burning bridges, just like with Apple etc.

    I do kinda want an Nvidia Shield for my TV but I just can't bring myself to give them dosh right now.

  15. #14
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Gateshead
    Posts
    15,196
    Thanks
    1,231
    Thanked
    2,291 times in 1,874 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 2x 4GB DDR4 2666
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    Quote Originally Posted by jab701 View Post
    ... IIRC the only other company that has licenses to build hardware for this is possible VIA with their EPIA chips like the Nano. ...
    Hmmmm, nvidia to buy up Via for the x86 license?!

  16. Received thanks from:

    Pleiades (01-02-2019)

  17. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    7 times in 7 posts

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    We've failed every time before, and this time it will be different with failures from everywhere else (raja etc). Is anyone on this team (gpu team I mean) from a project that was a great success? I see no reason this time will be different without better people who have not failed before at doing this stuff. I'm pretty sure Raja was behind most of Radeon vii which is IMHO also a failure. No VSR/DLSS/RT and same price with memory that makes the card unable to make a NET INCOME most likely & that is based on previous designs with HBM, which always require game bundles to make a dime (at least in consumer space). HBM should be PRO/workstation/server only until prices drop massively. If you can't make money, what is the point in the product release? I'm not surprised by the limited release despite AMD claiming otherwise. IE show sales if you're claiming that please, otherwise, I'll take the rumor. When people claimed that crap about the first Titans NV said they sold the first run (100k) in hours IIRC, and the same people (for the most part) buy them yearly as most of them make MONEY from them (they are not gamers by and large, they are PROS avoiding $5000-6000 quadro's etc).

    No I don't think this time will be different, and the graveyard of defunct gpu companies keeps growing. Just google list of defunct gpu companies and go to wikipedia page Good luck Intel, hope you don't bring your old gpu chops to the table, as they suck and have no business competing to take down AMD/NV, both of which make pretty great products, whether you like either or not as a company. You get a great deal with AMD or the best product (at a premium, duh) from NV. You get the same story on cpu side, great deal AMD (but moving to best product soon, hope they CHARGE accordingly), or the best product again at a premium, from Intel.

    That said, again, I think AMD wipes the floor with Intel for the next 18 months or more, the only question is if management is smart enough to choose INCOME over market share stupid pricing (as they've done repeatedly in the past, always going cheap/market craptastic pricing killing INCOME from great products). You can't win a price war with giants. You will go bankrupt LONG before you win anything. It is best to get INCOME, and grow from there with yet more R&D. You gain nothing gaining share if you can't afford the next round of R&D. This isn't rocket science, it's basic math. Yet another disappointing quarterly report of ~38mil for AMD. ROFL. Intel/NV just collectively LOL, while I cried yet again with AMD shares (LOL, ok, I know they'll make me money as 64 core servers hit, but still!! Why waste great R&D on cheapo pricing?). I really hope they charge what they are worth at 7nm, or they just deserve to go bankrupt for being so dumb (of course I'll sell stock long before then...LOL), or hopefully bought by SMARTER people that believe INCOME is better than share when broke. Even dumb management can't screw up 64 core pricing that badly to yet again blow net income for the next year. Once they hit, I think income goes upwards greatly and sends the shares higher (but run on hype, benchmarks etc, it won't last long if past management decisions are an indicator...LOL). ~337mil this year, probably more than a billion next year finally, but that needs to be a BILLION a quarter, not a year to catch NV etc. I don't think Intel will affect NV/AMD bottom lines in gpus at all, and I wouldn't want to be an Intel shareholder next year. IF AMD starts another dumb price war, Intel server income could be hit very hard. IF they price right, Intel won't be hurt much but AMD will gain massive INCOME (comparatively speaking vs now). It's comic Intel won't be able to knock off AMD even with paltry 38mil quarters (Not the first time they've tried as noted).

  18. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    2,385
    Thanks
    181
    Thanked
    304 times in 221 posts

    Re: Intel talks up its discrete GPU plans and aspirations

    It's always fun reading a verbal diarrhoea from nobodyspecial. He has so many convoluted points and anti points in one post...

  19. Received thanks from:

    chj (01-02-2019)

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •