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    QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    The world's first 7nm GPU has arrived. What do you make of it?
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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    Nvidia and AMD can do what they want at the £700 mark, that's too rich for me.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    It's just AMD trying to stay relevant until Navi arrives. They did all they could with this old architecture. The profit they make with each VII sold is most likely negligible. But I doubt gamers will buy this in masses.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    No.
    Too expensive for what it is.

    Similar performance as 2080 but fewer features.
    Where's the benefit?
    How is this competitively priced? ANS: It's not. It's placed and priced to extract as much money as it can (as it rightly should!).

    Will wait another 12 months and see what else comes along. No need to upgrade currently from my 1080ti, and this doesn't make me re-think that.
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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    As a gamer I'd still prefer the 2080, but both seem to be too high of a price for me. But then it used an old architecture so you can't expect too much. However I don't have too high hopes for Navi either, but we'll see.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    I don't know it's too early to tell with driver optimisations and possible AMD partnership games, but early benchmarks and reviews seem like it is the same old story with them, too much heat and power and loses out to its main competition, then you have (a lack of) new tech to factor in. To me it seems like at this price point the 2080 is the only way to go right now.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    No, what could have been the launch of a card for people who care more about 4k than Ray-tracing has ended up being marred by a terrible cooler and broken software.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nifl View Post
    It's just AMD trying to stay relevant until Navi arrives. They did all they could with this old architecture. The profit they make with each VII sold is most likely negligible. But I doubt gamers will buy this in masses.
    I would say the same, hoping that is the actual situation.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    First 7nm consumer card. Yet it uses 16gb of extremely expensive HBM2 memory? They must be making a loss on this. Also it only really competes with the RTX2080 and doesn't have any support for RayTracing, although who cares about that, or DLSS.

    Please kill off GCN asap and replace it with something more scalable with 8gb GDDR6 memory that can compete on normal rasterising with a 2080 but is around £400! That would seriously stick it to NVIDIA.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    This is at best a missed opportunity - at worst a genuine opportunity to nick a couple of brownie points even if the architecture doesn't stack up at the top end...

    IMHO it fails on 3 levels:
    1: Stupid Stupid Stupid for not knowing team green were going ray-tracing that their cards which simply cannot support useful frame rates above 1080p! What more of a banana skin do you need to capitalise on marketing wise?
    2: It uses HBM2 - a super forward looking technology whose message is simply missed in all communications. It neither justifies it's cost nor provides the all important forward thinking benefits therefore making it devoid of value - well done AMD - you have achieved nothing but Champagne memory in a lemonade card. Be that the case or not..
    3: I come from an electronics background 15+ years at a major brand in Sales and Marketing - Lisa Siu waxing lyrical on a stage is a great opener, however the audience isn't tied to product launches on a stage any more anymore. The follow-up campaigns surrounding these releases are pitiful. I prefer healthy competition between team green and team red but right now any gains made are lost in trickle technology gains and the media soup that is nvidia.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    Well the price sure put me off...
    And reading the comments, I'm not alone. We do want performance, but these prices are getting stupid for the average home gamer. If they're going to charge this much, the performance increase needs to be significantly higher.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    No, they clearly rushed the heatsink design and compensated for bad clearance with a graphite pad, and then it chokes off the fin stacks perpendicular to the GPU with a big dumb Radeon logo lip. If I were to buy one at all, I'd wait for AIB models that didn't botch the cooling assembly. And I'm still unclear as to whether the PCIe reset bug has been fixed that affected Vega10 dies. Chances are I'll just wait for Navi, though.
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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    Quote Originally Posted by GinoLatino View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nifl View Post
    It's just AMD trying to stay relevant until Navi arrives. They did all they could with this old architecture. The profit they make with each VII sold is most likely negligible. But I doubt gamers will buy this in masses.
    I would say the same, hoping that is the actual situation.
    I'm having flashbacks of Vega expectations

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    AMD has done enough: (1) Its business, why spend millions of dollars on R&D (Ray tracing) only to sell a few cards at the high end which only a handful of gamers can afford? low to mid range is the ultimate focus(2) They are currently working on a new architecture and why spend extra cash on Vega when a new card is to be launched in a years time? Raytracing is good tech but currently there are more issues to deal with.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    Quote Originally Posted by GinoLatino View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nifl View Post
    It's just AMD trying to stay relevant until Navi arrives. They did all they could with this old architecture. The profit they make with each VII sold is most likely negligible. But I doubt gamers will buy this in masses.
    I would say the same, hoping that is the actual situation.
    This is my thinking too, I feel like they had to produce something but Navi wasn't ready. To be honest that seems like it's going to aim for the middle market anyway. Only difference with this release was it wasn't overhyped and therefore I'm not let down.

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    Re: QOTW: Has AMD done enough with Radeon VII?

    A definite maybe. If it was marketed as a 2070 killer with a price of $50 more than the 2070, then I would have been all in on AMD. As it stands now, the lack of RTX and image improvement features hurt it. Also the performance at lower resolutions hurts as well.

    The FPS in 2k & 4K look nice. These could improve with driver optimization. Game optimization can also improve FPS in games.

    The lack of forward thinking features as well as it's high price makes me say pass.

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