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    AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Just four APUs in total, all with enterprise level security, manageability, and a 15W TDP.
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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    So Zen2 based CPUs arent going to be Ryzen 3xxx chips then? Or they going to try and confuse people by calling them the same range number as Zen+ mobile parts?

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Kanoe - they did this with the 2xxx series too. The first gen integrated graphics models had 2xxx branding, as did the pro models. This is pure marketing to avoid "late gen" parts being made to look "old hat" by new releases scheduled immediately after.

    Also, for consumer parts they may require BIOS updates in line with the next gen parts (as the integrated graphics models did) which means that in terms of motherboard/hardware support, they fall closer with the newer parts in terms of compatibility.

    It is very confusing, though, and doesn't do any favours. That being said, Intel's currently in a mess with 8xxx and 9xxx parts flowing around, and still a surprising number of 7xxx parts in the channel. Yesterday my two choices for a customer laptop were an i7-8xxx with GTX1050 or a i5-7xxx with GTX1060 for 200ukp more!

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    They do a generational lag because it takes time for the full design and validation of the PRO line to be selectable in corporate environments. Basically they can sell these CPUs as a rubber stamp stable and good to go.

    Intel kinda does this because for corporate devices it's not often that a system designed for longevity and security is the latest generation.

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    No mention of ECC ram ability.

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    No mention of ECC ram ability.
    It'll likely be down to mobo to support but there will be no validation like pro gen1. All ryzen has ecc capability, its just not validated.

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    It'll likely be down to mobo to support but there will be no validation like pro gen1. All ryzen has ecc capability, its just not validated.
    Hopefully, but it seems odd that the 2200g & 2400g didn't seem to support it at all from what I could tell.

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Hopefully, but it seems odd that the 2200g & 2400g didn't seem to support it at all from what I could tell.
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_3/2200g
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_5/2400g

    It's really weird, the 2200g is listing as it does but the 2400g is listing as not, it's pretty much the same processor. The Zen memory controller as a whole does support ECC RAM but it seems broken/intermittent on the APUs. That is an oddity around the mobos because some say they are supporting and some say they aren't then some say they are but it doesn't work very well.

    I guess the term is "it's brokeded" maybe will work

    But these are the g parts whereas the article is about the U Pro part but it is very unusual nonetheless.

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_3/2200g
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_5/2400g

    It's really weird, the 2200g is listing as it does but the 2400g is listing as not, it's pretty much the same processor. The Zen memory controller as a whole does support ECC RAM but it seems broken/intermittent on the APUs. That is an oddity around the mobos because some say they are supporting and some say they aren't then some say they are but it doesn't work very well.

    I guess the term is "it's brokeded" maybe will work

    But these are the g parts whereas the article is about the U Pro part but it is very unusual nonetheless.
    I get the impressing the 2400 pro had working ECC, yet the normal part it doesn't work. But I have yet to see a pro chip available to buy. It all seems odd and not in AMDs style to actually disable something.

    The Athlon 200ge would be awesome for things like NAS use if only the ECC were working.

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I get the impressing the 2400 pro had working ECC, yet the normal part it doesn't work. But I have yet to see a pro chip available to buy. It all seems odd and not in AMDs style to actually disable something.

    The Athlon 200ge would be awesome for things like NAS use if only the ECC were working.
    Pro chips aren't available to consumers unfortunately, they only go to solution builders and OEMs

    I honestly don't think they've disabled it i expect it to be something BIOS related because the mobo actually has to present it to the chip so it may just not have been compatibility confirmed that's why it's "off"?

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    Re: AMD launches 2nd Gen Ryzen / Athlon Pro mobile processors

    Quote Originally Posted by Irien View Post
    Kanoe - they did this with the 2xxx series too. The first gen integrated graphics models had 2xxx branding, as did the pro models. This is pure marketing to avoid "late gen" parts being made to look "old hat" by new releases scheduled immediately after.

    Also, for consumer parts they may require BIOS updates in line with the next gen parts (as the integrated graphics models did) which means that in terms of motherboard/hardware support, they fall closer with the newer parts in terms of compatibility.

    It is very confusing, though, and doesn't do any favours. That being said, Intel's currently in a mess with 8xxx and 9xxx parts flowing around, and still a surprising number of 7xxx parts in the channel. Yesterday my two choices for a customer laptop were an i7-8xxx with GTX1050 or a i5-7xxx with GTX1060 for 200ukp more!
    The 2xxx parts also had some of the IPC improvements from the second generation Ryzen and the improved turbo boost, so they were sort of a 1.5th generation part. It may be that these new APUs are getting some improvements from the work on Zen 2, though AMD has said nothing on the subject so far. Benchmarking them against the previous generation at matching clock speeds will reveal how much, if at all, the chip architecture has improved.

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