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    Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Meanwhile TSMC unveils its 6-nanometer process.
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    Re: Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Meanwhile Intel's on 14nm ++++-+-+-++++-+++- V4.6
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    Re: Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Quote Originally Posted by MLyons View Post
    Meanwhile Intel's on 14nm ++++-+-+-++++-+++- V4.6
    I hope they bin 10nm and just jump straight to 7/5nm, i feel that 10nm is like Duke Nukem:Forever. It was forever coming out and didn't live up to the hype!

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    Re: Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    I hope they bin 10nm and just jump straight to 7/5nm, i feel that 10nm is like Duke Nukem:Forever. It was forever coming out and didn't live up to the hype!
    Supposedly the issues with 10nm were issues that Intel needed to get answers for before they could move on to 7 or 5, because those issues would be the same moving forwards until fixed.

    10nm basically is in the bin, they make almost nothing with it and everything they do make is underachieving.

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    Re: Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozaron View Post
    Supposedly the issues with 10nm were issues that Intel needed to get answers for before they could move on to 7 or 5, because those issues would be the same moving forwards until fixed.

    10nm basically is in the bin, they make almost nothing with it and everything they do make is underachieving.
    I think their biggest issue is using the original methods for 14nm to make 10nm and having to use many many masks to get the 10nm pitch. I think they have to jump on the EUV gravy train, they are no longer a market leader and a laughing stock in regards to silicon development.

    They rested on their laurels too long and now their ass is being bitten like crazy.

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    Re: Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    I think their biggest issue is using the original methods for 14nm to make 10nm and having to use many many masks to get the 10nm pitch. I think they have to jump on the EUV gravy train, they are no longer a market leader and a laughing stock in regards to silicon development.

    They rested on their laurels too long and now their ass is being bitten like crazy.
    EUV has some really big technical challenges to overcome to make it production ready. It's quite possible that Intel, unwilling to invest, develop and resting on their market dominance, let their best engineers who were the most forward thinking and interested in new tech disappear off to other companies. Now those other companies have EUV capability and Intel has lost the people with the drive, passion and knowledge to make it viable.

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    Re: Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    I think their biggest issue is using the original methods for 14nm to make 10nm and having to use many many masks to get the 10nm pitch. I think they have to jump on the EUV gravy train, they are no longer a market leader and a laughing stock in regards to silicon development.

    They rested on their laurels too long and now their ass is being bitten like crazy.
    IIRC it's sort of a bit of both, they basically tried jumping forward in fab processing tech instead of introducing changes slowly and giving themselves a chance to work on any teething issues, between using cobalt for interconnects and more extensive use of EUV they struggled to get everything working right, wikichip fuse did a right up on Intel's 2017 IEDM presentation if you fancy geeking out on the details but suffice to say Intel simply tried doing too much too quickly.

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    Re: Samsung completes 5nm EUV development

    Quote Originally Posted by MLyons View Post
    Meanwhile Intel's on 14nm ++++-+-+-++++-+++- V4.6
    thats a new joke, never saw that before. honestly, you should be a comedian!

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