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    Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Both these mobile and desktop CPU roadmaps are said to come from a 2019 Dell presentation.
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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    10nm in second half of 2020 and later? WTF?

    AMD will truly and for the 1st time be a process ahead by then.

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Wow, 10nm still not really hitting it off for another 2 years. I'm glad they're clearly trying to plan around what's happened and make the best of it, but... still... What an incredible balls up.

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    It's really hard to believe at the desktop we're likely to see 7nm offerings from AMD later this year, and only 10nm from Intel not until at least Spring 2021 - utterlly shook!

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    10nm is simply not happening for Intel, at least not above mobile offerings (small dies and lower max clocks).

    Intel will surely get hammered in the investor questions in their next earnings.

    Intel, up until this leak, has been indicating strongly that we would get 10nm mobile (2C/4C) in Q4 this year, and in desktop/server by the end of 2020.

    This is a major change, and if true, surely indicates miscommunication to investors in prior earnings calls - this doesn't just happen.

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    complain and complain about the process size... get off it already. I have never seen pc "enthusiasts" be so petty. results are what matter. im just curious what happened to "ICE LAKE"

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by ETR316 View Post
    complain and complain about the process size... get off it already. I have never seen pc "enthusiasts" be so petty. results are what matter. im just curious what happened to "ICE LAKE"
    If the leak indicates the next generation is going to be built on the same node as before it indicates that the performance and thus "results" are going to be similar to before and not much better. How is noting that petty?

    As a PC enthusiast I don't care if a specific manufacturer manages to gain the tiniest amount of performance over a generation just so they can say that they gained something while offering nothing new. I care if anyone is offering something actually new and exciting. A new version of the same processor they've been selling for 5 years is neither new nor exciting. I'm not trashing the new lineup but wide use of a new process has quite obviously let it down.

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    It still surprises me that Intel is still trying tobget 10nm off the ground. I would have expected it to be binned long ago and they would have moved on.

    Is it arrogance, stupidity or...?

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by ETR316 View Post
    complain and complain about the process size... get off it already. I have never seen pc "enthusiasts" be so petty. results are what matter. im just curious what happened to "ICE LAKE"
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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by ETR316 View Post
    complain and complain about the process size... get off it already. I have never seen pc "enthusiasts" be so petty. results are what matter. im just curious what happened to "ICE LAKE"
    Intel deserves it. As consumers we want to see better products, but performance has been pretty disappointing, especially this and last gen. 10nm could have at least delivered some sort of spec bump which they could really do with since AMD is actually making progress. Intel's biggest achievements is to add more cores that they only managed to do following Ryzen catching them off guard, yet the charge more at the higher end and continue to have hardware vulnerabilities or which some of the old one's aren't even completely fixed to this day. Some of us expect more for intel. On the plus side, I have been considering an upgrade and if Zen 2 delivers then I shouldn't have to worry much about what intel would otherwise have to offer.

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    It still surprises me that Intel is still trying tobget 10nm off the ground. I would have expected it to be binned long ago and they would have moved on.

    Is it arrogance, stupidity or...?
    Sunken cost and the backlash they would get if they don't get it out the door
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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by MLyons View Post
    Sunken cost and the backlash they would get if they don't get it out the door
    I have come to the same conclusion. If they were to hands up and go "10nm failed, we are using off the shelf euv for 7nm like our competitors" then their stocks and shares woukd take such a sharp nose dive it'll make Nortels share dive look like a gradual decline. (probably not but the sentiment is there)

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by MLyons View Post
    Sunken cost and the backlash they would get if they don't get it out the door
    That and their own hubris, the problems they've been trying to address have to be sorted at some point in the future if we keep shrinking stuff, unfortunately for Intel they thought the problems would be easier to fix and they could address them all in one go and within the blink of an eye (figuratively speaking).

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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    That and their own hubris, the problems they've been trying to address have to be sorted at some point in the future if we keep shrinking stuff, unfortunately for Intel they thought the problems would be easier to fix and they could address them all in one go and within the blink of an eye (figuratively speaking).
    Bit off more than they can chew mayhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    It still surprises me that Intel is still trying tobget 10nm off the ground. I would have expected it to be binned long ago and they would have moved on.

    Is it arrogance, stupidity or...?
    Their original 10nm process failed spectacularly. They rebooted it and are working on a new 10nm process that's far less aggressive than their original excessively ambitious plans. The original process had a much higher transistor density IIRC. A 10nm reboot is still closer than 7nm
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    Re: Intel roadmaps leak showing company's plans through 2021

    And it seems even ^^that^^ was more than they could chew.

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