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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by Korrorra View Post
    This is what it means right? Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/255956/a...n-x570-chipset
    Yeah, I've just seen that myself.

    I wouldn't go as far as you and say they've done an Intel but I'd like to know if it was just due to BIOS storage limitations or other reasons. If that is the case then they haven't done an Intel, they could just be pulling a Howard Stark: "limited by the technology of my time". But considering most if not all CPUs are supported on 2nd gen boards both on 1st and 3rd gen CPUs it doesn't sit quite right with me.

    Jesus, we really need something better than the current BIOS memory system.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by Korrorra View Post
    This is what it means right? Source:
    Interesting diagram, but some A320 boards have had 3000 series BIOS support which is also unsupported accorting to that chart, I wouldn't be surprised if some vendors ignore that chart and make 570 boards compatible with older CPUs.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    To be really fair I can't see the old processors not being supported on new motherboards as a big deal. The product stack has moved down a fair bit in terms of ipc and ppw so just sell it as is and buy new. If you were based on Intel you'd have to do that anyhoo. Also why would you buy a brand new mobo in the X570 class to support a 2 year old cpu? Get an X470 it will do everything you wish and support most of the next gen features

    Why does nobody seem to care that AMD has just trumped Intel in nearly every way, gen 4 connectivity, ipc, ppw and cost are all on AMD's side now.
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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Why does nobody seem to care that AMD has just trumped Intel in nearly every way, gen 4 connectivity, ipc, ppw and cost are all on AMD's side now.
    Oh I care, I'll want to see actual benchmarks before spending but fully expect one of these to fill the AM4 socket on my 470 motherboard soon after release.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Yup Dances matey - just seems a bit meh from the regulars. Could be a real game changer this year from AMD. Oodles of bandwidth as well, a nice cheap(ish) nvme m.2 ssd will be way faster on the AMD platform than the Intel platform. More cores and more threads for the same given price point as well
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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Why does nobody seem to care that AMD has just trumped Intel in nearly every way, gen 4 connectivity, ipc, ppw and cost are all on AMD's side now.
    Absolutely love this aspect but i want to see independent reviews before i pop open the second bottle of Champagne. Just usual cynicism about tech in general.
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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Absolutely love this aspect but i want to see independent reviews before i pop open the second bottle of Champagne. Just usual cynicism about tech in general.
    For once though does not the gen4 support meaning a huge increase in bandwidth mean you're interested? For me, in general computing terms, this would make the biggest difference to making my work system buttery smooth and responsive
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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    For once though does not the gen4 support meaning a huge increase in bandwidth mean you're interested? For me, in general computing terms, this would make the biggest difference to making my work system buttery smooth and responsive
    The doubling of Bandwidth for PCIe is a real cherry on top and will make for whole new generations of workstations that can brutalise expansion IO and compute resources.

    This doesn't excite me as much for the consumer, it does for HEDT but i fell on the floor convulsing for what it means for EPYC.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Any idea when the RX 5000 series reviews could come out?

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by Queelis View Post
    Any idea when the RX 5000 series reviews could come out?
    Embargo dates probably lift 2nd-7th July. Preorders start on 2nd and release is 7th.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by Korrorra View Post
    You can put a 3k cpu into an old x370 or x470 mobo. Except you can't put a 1000 series cpu into a x570 mobo. This is the very thing I wanted to do. AMD pulled an Intel after all.
    Out of curiosity, why do you want to do that? What does X570 offer that X470 doesn't?
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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    More interesting news in the CPU world!

    I just hope they release a decent mATX board as there are hardly any good choices at the moment whilst ATX and even enthusiast ITX boards are plentiful.

    I'm personally eyeing up the Ryzen 7 3700X myself as the 3800X doesn't seem to offer much more than the 3700X. What I would be interested in seeing is the price of a none-X 3700 and seeing how that compares in stock and how well it can overclock.

    I was so tempted to get the Ryzen 7 2700 for £156 from box a few weeks ago but stopped myself as there was really no point in doing that sidegrade.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    A very interesting point is the claim to be ahead of Intel on single threaded Cinebench despite considerably lower clocks! Throwing only multithreaded results at the press would have been one thing given AMD seemingly have better SMT efficiency, but here, Zen2 @4.5GHz is ahead of Skylake @5.0GHz. Likewise 4.4 vs 4.9 but with lower power draw.

    That 3700X does indeed look very tempting!

    The one thing I can't see is a direct comparison of gaming performance, Zen2 vs Skylake. They have shown vs Zen1 which I guess we could extrapolate from.

    Also, as mentioned above, it will be interesting to see how the multiple chiplet layout behaves.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Bit of an anticlimax for me, most of what they announced was already strongly suspected and the release is four weeks later than i was hoping.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    Just a quick one, GTA V is one of the more CPU-bound and Intel-weighted games that comes to mind so to use that as a reference point, AMD claim 14% better performance for the 3800X over the 2700X. Going from Anandtech's 9900k benchmark (which AFAIK hasn't been back-dated with the latest round of speculative execution patches which may or may not impact Intel's performance slightly):
    9900k and 9700k get roughly 160fps.
    2700X gets roughly 135
    Hypothetical 3800X (2700X+14%) gets ~154fps.

    Not bad given it's not the top clocked or priced CPU* and patches may knock down Intel's performance a bit.

    *Though it remains to be seen how the 2-chiplet design performs in games of course, so I'm not extrapolating any further.

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    Re: AMD announces Navi GPUs, 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs

    While I had been hoping to see the 16-core variant that was rumoured, that not being the case (or at least not yet anyway) is understandable.

    As such, I've definitely got my eye on the 3900X.

    All in all, some very interesting reveals.

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