Intel challenges AMD to "beat us in real world gaming"

[watercooled]

Why did they feel the need to list TW: Warhammer 2 three times? It's not like the results are considerably different. Run out of games to cherry pick but wanted to make the chart look bigger?

Sometimes the actual FPS numbers would be useful too - 1.5x 300fps doesn't really matter a great deal but 1.5x 45fps could be quite noticeable.

I guess there's a reason we don't rely on manufacturers to benchmark their own products after all!

Also I wonder if the security patches had been installed?

[Spud1]

Since when does comparing a £500 Intel CPU to a under £300 AMD CPU make a good match? surely Intel either compare like for like in a lower spec i5 or i7 or use the i9 against the Threadripper 2920x priced at £570

To be fair to Intel, it has pretty much always been like this. Intel generally offer better performance, but for a higher cost (sometimes as much as 2x the equivalent AMD). AMD offer better value, but can't compete on performance at the top end.

In the "real world" (such a subjective, meaningless term imo!) this means that AMD is almost always a better value propoition, but if you can afford it, Intel will offer you better performance for most consumer and server workloads. In the past few years, that has changed a little for the very rare cases where you need lots and lots of threads (i.e.not gaming or consumer use cases)but generally still holds true.

[Tarinder]

Shipping products like their 10nm process?

Wow, Intel descending to the sort of cogent and logical discourse of a bloke outside a pub who's just been humiliated and fancies a fight.

"Real world" gaming generally involves limited budgets where a better value CPU allows an upgrade to the far more important GPU component. Perhaps both companies would like to remember that when launching their next gen chips...

Yep - Any chance of a "real world gaming" section in the next CPU review, hexus? Something like a 1060 at 1080p, as according to the steam survey that's the most common setup

Wait to see what transpires tonight first.

[Xlucine]

Why did they feel the need to list TW: Warhammer 2 three times? It's not like the results are considerably different. Run out of games to cherry pick but wanted to make the chart look bigger?

Sometimes the actual FPS numbers would be useful too - 1.5x 300fps doesn't really matter a great deal but 1.5x 45fps could be quite noticeable.

I guess there's a reason we don't rely on manufacturers to benchmark their own products after all!

Also I wonder if the security patches had been installed?

AS: odyssey and FC5 (and arguably WOW, but not really) are the only ones that were released after jan 2018. So this "real-world" gaming is at least a year out of date!

[Iota]

Real world

Intel i9-9900KS, is not 'real world' as yet with its pricing, availability and thermals all unknowns.

So let me get this right, Intel challenges AMD using their highest priced "consumer" CPU as an example in charts that isn't "real world" yet, versus one that is? Well I guess AMD win on that one then.

[philehidiot]

I love the comments on PCI-e 4.0.... doesn't Intel get that there's a huge consumer advantage to buying a motherboard which supports features which are going to be relevant in 4 years time and on top of that with a socket that is potentially still going to be useful for upgrades? I don't buy my PC components for the now, I buy them considering how long they are going to be relevant for. That Intel doesn't get this is a part of their problem. New sockets which are proven to be unnecessary every generation along with higher prices does not for good customer will make. Buying a futureproof motherboard is useful in so many ways. If the socket is the same, it means you can invest in a decent watercooling system without a new socket type making it redundant at upgrade time, for example. AMD also don't generally TRY to compete at the very top end. They identify the price points where the most sales and higher profits are and aim for them. This typically does not include the very top end, where R&D costs are high and often the only advantage is in gloating. This is why they aimed for competing with the 1070 and 1080 and not the Ti last generation. Nvidia's strategy is to saturate every level of the market. There are advantages and disadvantages to this.

[MercutioUK]

Is this is a disguised "only 1080p counts!!"?

[Tunnah]

Will it do 60fps reliably for the next 5 years (at least) for less than half the price ? That is the metric I care about.

[DanceswithUnix]

Dance off!

[watercooled]

Hmm: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14...610_151325.jpg

GGWP AMD.

Comparing to a last-gen CPU *right before* a new launch with like-for-like numbers might not have been the wisest move for Intel, and while AMD have no doubt chosen some favourable games, they overlap somewhat with Intel's choice. A standout one for me is GTA V as one AMD have typically lagged behind in.

[afiretruck]

So, about 20 minutes into their show AMD demonstrated the 3900X obliterating the 9900K in a real-world gaming scenario - gaming and live-streaming.

Granted, that was at a really high stream quality setting, but still. It's really impressive.

[Tabbykatze]

So, about 20 minutes into their show AMD demonstrated the 3900X obliterating the 9900K in a real-world gaming scenario - gaming and live-streaming.

Granted, that was at a really high stream quality setting, but still. It's really impressive.

If it were a really high quality stream setting does it not add even more weight to AMDs corner?

[DanceswithUnix]

I don't buy my PC components for the now, I buy them considering how long they are going to be relevant for. That Intel doesn't get this is a part of their problem. New sockets which are proven to be unnecessary every generation along with higher prices does not for good customer will make. Buying a futureproof motherboard is useful in so many ways.

I think for some years Intel has been a very laptop centered company, and people don't upgrade laptops.

[afiretruck]

If it were a really high quality stream setting does it not add even more weight to AMDs corner?

I was thinking the lower quality stream settings more match the 'real-world' scenario that Intel outlined, but now that I think about it you're right.

[3dcandy]

Both of above - high quality streaming puts extra emphasis on broadband/network than cpu though.
It does add weight to AMD's argument as it appears to show that the Ryzen is a better all around chip as well as gaming

[Tabbykatze]

Both of above - high quality streaming puts extra emphasis on broadband/network than cpu though.
It does add weight to AMD's argument as it appears to show that the Ryzen is a better all around chip as well as gaming

Providing a higher quality stream source would mean the CPU/GPU is working harder to compress it before delivery whereas a lower quality stream just does a downscale and has less to compress.

It does put more emphasis on your network connectivity but compressing higher bitrate data is linear increase in performance requirements.