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    The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Featuring the Radeon 5700 and 5700 XT, priced from $379 and $449, available July 7.
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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    POWER CONTOUR

    The XT looks good (undercutting the 2070, and matching the V64 with half the CUs and 2/3rds the power is neat), but the vanilla 5700 seems poor (£80 dearer than a 2060, assuming flat USD to GBP conversion)

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Here's hoping they allow ODM's a little more freedom when it comes to heatsinks.

    I wouldn't mind those prices so much if they were ODM cards with what I'd expect would be higher 'game' clocks but paying that much for an inferior blower/vapor chamber heatsink, going on past teardowns, that's probably preventing the 'game' clock being closer to the boost clock kind of sucks.

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Oof, those prices.

    I know it's not a straightforward comparison between an RDNA CU and a GCN CU, but looking at those CU counts, shouldn't these be aimed more at the $250 - $300 price point? Am I missing something here, or are AMD potentially taking advantage of NVidia's price-gouging? Or is it simply that these 'large' (when compared to Zen 2) 7nm dies very expensive to produce?

    I'm very curious to see what happens when the design issues relating to chiplet-based GPU architectures are solved and we see some multi-chip single GPU cards coming out. Much like how MCM Zen (and now Zen 2) have turned the industry on its head, will we see the same happening in the GPU space? Or is gaming simply just going to get more and more expensive as time passes?

    If the latter proves true, 4K60 is still a long way off. For me, at least.

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Dead on arrival with those prices.

    RTX 2070 can be picked up for as low as £430, but lets assume a price of around £450-460 so you have a few variants to choose from.

    RX 5700 XT even with direct US dollar translation is ~ £400, plus VAT means we can expect a starting price around £480-500 most likely. AMD just don't have the mind share for these kinds of prices. If I were in the market for a GPU right now I'd reluctantly still be going with the green team I expect. I'll reserve final judgement till the reviews and actual pricing in stores is known, but it's not looking promising. I really believe this should have been sub £400 for it to make sense, and sub £300 for the RX 5700...at least there's Zen 2....

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Vega 56 at £260 is looking real good right now. The price to performance of these is poor - very little progress in that regard when V56 launched at £379 2 years ago. nVidia jacking up the prices, AMD following suit... I'm goin next gen consoles if they support keyboard n mouse.

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by cptwhite_uk View Post
    Dead on arrival with those prices.

    RTX 2070 can be picked up for as low as £430, but lets assume a price of around £450-460 so you have a few variants to choose from.

    RX 5700 XT even with direct US dollar translation is ~ £400, plus VAT means we can expect a starting price around £480-500 most likely. AMD just don't have the mind share for these kinds of prices. If I were in the market for a GPU right now I'd reluctantly still be going with the green team I expect. I'll reserve final judgement till the reviews and actual pricing in stores is known, but it's not looking promising. I really believe this should have been sub £400 for it to make sense, and sub £300 for the RX 5700...at least there's Zen 2....
    This is exactly my sentiment, this needed to be priced disruptively not competitively.

    If you're pricing competitively you have to leap frog the competition not edge them out...

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Nvidia price cuts probably aren't even needed....AMD were too greedy with generation it seems. 251mm die for £450+ that's got to be a nice profit margin.

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    $450 for a card that is about 6% faster in some hand picked titles, without any Ray Tracing hardware included (even accounting for the relatively meager amount of games that support RTX)? You'd have to be a fanboy to pay that kind of price. £400 tops, with a fancy cooler thrown in and I might be tempted.

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    The bundled gamepass is notable - with more and more companies trying to launch their own digital subscription model (and so giving out licences for a few months for peanuts), I bet we'll see a few months of some kind of gamepass replace the bundled games of old across the board.

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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Hard pass. AMD blew it. They had a golden opportunity to claw back mindshare from nVidia. At least the Radeon VII I could understand, it's a fat die packing 16GB of some of the most expensive memory on the DRAM market. This is a small die with 8GB of GDDR6 and no frilly extras, pretty mainstream stuff, and they're trying to grab $450-500? Good luck with that. Maybe if they blew right past the RTX 2080, fair enough, but they're only trading blows with the RTX 2070 at the same price, and apparently much higher power draw.
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    Re: The architecture behind AMD's RDNA and Navi GPUs

    Quote Originally Posted by hexus
    David Wang, head of the RTG Group, believes that ray tracing is best computed in the cloud and then fed to your local display
    That's just wrong, and he's feeding competitors with lines like that.

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