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    AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    It says last week's WSJ report "contains several factual errors and omissions".
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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    So America is retrospectively accusing AMD of helping bolster their rival.

    Frankly, if WSJ think that's bad, ARM must be the antichrist, they license their stuff out to anyone with a pulse generally (minus the trade sanctions).

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    The cynic might think Intel is getting worried about having some competition, and calling in help to rubbish AMD.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    Deny deny deny...great job amd. You sold out for more cash infusion, from yet another corrupt government.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    Quote Originally Posted by ETR316 View Post
    Deny deny deny...great job amd. You sold out for more cash infusion, from yet another corrupt government.
    What major Country government isn't corrupt and snafuing your info while waging private wars in other countries?

    Of course they're going to deny what WSJ are accusing, it's a stupid article that is somewhat better than Bloomberg hit pieces.
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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    Meh, it's the wsj.... iirc they've had a few 'questionable' articles of late imo. Can't remember what it was but there was one a few weeks/months ago iirc which were also proven to be false and wsj had no real evidence.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    Sorry but how is AMD to blame for a 2010 FTC settlement with Intel? I mean the FTC basically said because the company illegally stifled competition in the market for computer chips that it had to modify agreements with AMD, Nvidia, and Via to allow them to undergo mergers and joint ventures with other companies without the threat of being sued for patent infringement.

    VIA had a cross-licensing deal with Intel for a decade (03-13 (maybe extended past that time)) so it's not like China wasn't already making x86 processors, it seems from reading this article on wikichips that VIA is more to blame than AMD, and they're only to blame because the FTC allowed them to undergo mergers without getting sued.

    Maybe I've got it all wrong but as LSG501 suggests mainstream 'newspapers' don't have a very good track record when it comes to understanding the complexities involved in tech journalism, I'd love to be proved wrong though as at least then it would restore some of my faith in 'newspapers'.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Sorry but how is AMD to blame for a 2010 FTC settlement with Intel? I mean the FTC basically said because the company illegally stifled competition in the market for computer chips that it had to modify agreements with AMD, Nvidia, and Via to allow them to undergo mergers and joint ventures with other companies without the threat of being sued for patent infringement.
    A lot of heavy Intel supporters blame AMD both for the anti-competitive actions by Intel (because they didn't fight hard enough) and then also for them being so underfunded and out of the market for letting Intel get to 95%+ market dominance.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    Meh, it's the wsj.... iirc they've had a few 'questionable' articles of late imo. Can't remember what it was but there was one a few weeks/months ago iirc which were also proven to be false and wsj had no real evidence.
    You're maybe thinking of the SuperMicro hit piece that Bloomberg did, which was never proved, and in fact nobody could even find anything remotely plausible.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunnah View Post
    You're maybe thinking of the SuperMicro hit piece that Bloomberg did, which was never proved, and in fact nobody could even find anything remotely plausible.
    There were a couple of people whom came out with some relatively plausible theories but none were provable and the scale was larger than Bloombergs supposed rice grain superchip. In fact, pretty much all of them went, "why would you bother? The BMC is a revolving door of security and is much easier/less likely to be discovered."

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    These reaks of yet another Intel hate / smear campaign. Sheer desperation.

    This was all public and companies have go via various channels when performing these kinds if deals.

    The US Gov would have said something by now, ESPECIALLY Trump

    This is clearly a corporate attack.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    If we are just honest for one minute, of course China is going to have all the AMD chip technology now that they are in the JV and producing chips. No point crying about it as it has happened and no amount of 'significant protections' that AMD have put in place will stop the Chinese. Can we blame AMD? No, they were in a terrible spot and needed the cash injection and funds to survive long enough to get there new product lines in Ryzen/Threadripper and EPYC out....Personally we only have ourselves to blame as no US/EU company or fund came to AMD's rescue and the previous US administration were willing to do business with China and Russia without really thinking things through....This will come back to hurt us at some point as the Chinese are single minded and focused...something we certainly are not any more...

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    WSJ is fake news.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    The idea that some x86 chip designs are the 'keys to the kingdom' is quite frankly absurd. The Chinese have been more than capable of producing their own competitive designs (the Sunway TaihuLight supercomputer was the world's fastest supercomputer from June 2016 to June 2018 for example) for years.

    Even with completely unhindered access to any Intel/AMD design the Chinese probably would have developed their own parallel hardware designs and software stack for OpSec reasons anyway. This article suggests that the AMD design is only one of three tracks China has towards exascale computing. Presumably they are simply hedging their bets because they can afford to split their resources. Even if the Americans could remove one such track as part of the current squabbles it would hardly be a crippling blow.

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    Re: AMD denies giving the 'Keys to the Kingdom' to China

    After decades of preaching free trade, America is suddenly faced with the consequences of free trade. While you're doing free trade, technology doesn't have a border. And either does America, if you're honest.

    The Chinese aren't to blame for anything except taking advantage of American corporate greed and American ideological blindness.

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