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    Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    And the 71st anniversary of the announcement of the first transistor was this weekend.
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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    "Moores law isn't dead, Intel just bonked it over the head for the past 5 years"

    But isn't claiming it isn't dead by building (stacking) vertically with layering basically cheating Moores law?

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    "However, special attention is placed on die-on-water stacking here."

    I think 'die-on-wafer' has been autocorrected based on the slide photo...
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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    Die-on-water sounds so good though!
    Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    Sounds like the "orange" drink I had in a pub the other day .... and may taste like it too. It certainly bore no more than a passing resemblance to anything with actual fruit.

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    ", is a prediction that transistors will decrease in cost at an exponential rate and increase in performance"
    No Moore's law doesn't say that but:
    "Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles about every two years."

    Nothing to do with cost.
    Do you really write for a tech site?

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    So my understanding of 'die-to-wafer' is that instead of saying "Moore's Law is dead" we will now say "Moore's Law is wafered".

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    But isn't claiming it isn't dead by building (stacking) vertically with layering basically cheating Moores law?
    No more than any other method of shrinking the transistors. Given we already have some pretty big NAND flash towers in SSD chips, I have to wonder how long the scaling will last though.


    Quote Originally Posted by GinoLatino View Post
    "Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles about every two years."

    Nothing to do with cost.
    Agreed, people seem to forget that in 1965 there weren't any microprocessor ICs to reduce the cost of so he was talking more about simple logic or op amp circuits.

    Still, silicon was considered a fixed cost per square mm for a long time so he *might* have been thinking it.

    At least people have largely stopped saying Moore was talking about performance doubling every two years.

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    No more than any other method of shrinking the transistors. Given we already have some pretty big NAND flash towers in SSD chips, I have to wonder how long the scaling will last though.
    Until the stack gets top heavy and falls over
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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Until the stack gets top heavy and falls over
    I'm sure it would be held up by the sides of the fin-sink needed to cool the stack

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    Quote Originally Posted by GinoLatino View Post
    ", is a prediction that transistors will decrease in cost at an exponential rate and increase in performance"
    No Moore's law doesn't say that but:
    "Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles about every two years."

    Nothing to do with cost.
    Do you really write for a tech site?
    When hardware sites go corporate, journalists replace enthusiasts and the quality drops.

    PS: Still better than the Verge!

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    Re: Moore's Law is not dead insists Intel's Jim Keller

    Wired has now published a report from the Silicon 100 Summit, for those that want to read more about Keller's presentation etc.


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