MSI has launched AMD 400 and 300 series 'Max' motherboards

[HEXUS]

Meanwhile, some motherboard vendors have pulled the AGESA 1.0.0.3ABA microcode.

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[simonpreston]

32GB EPROMs ? So much bloat, these days.

[Tabbykatze]

Someone said in one of the topics, AMD should dictate the size of the BIOS chips to the mobo vendors and I think that's a great ideas.

[ByteMyAscii]

Someone said in one of the topics, AMD should dictate the size of the BIOS chips to the mobo vendors and I think that's a great ideas.

There actually were guidelines from AMD.
The problem is the race to the bottom for budget meant corners were cut, and that was often one of them.

[adidan]

Good business sense IMO.

The current boards have been useful for those on the 2000 series, even good enough for a 3000 chip for those who wanted to upgrade. People with the original boards can still use the 3000 chips, it's not like these are new boards that everyone needs to run them.

The max boards will be the choice for people new into the market not looking to fork out on an x570.

Yeah, I can't find myself getting upset about this in the slightest.

[3dcandy]

There actually were guidelines from AMD.
The problem is the race to the bottom for budget meant corners were cut, and that was often one of them.

Yup - in many ways it happened. Now that the chips are better bang for buck this might change a bit, the X570's are expensive because they are fully featured boards

[rave_alan]

AMD makes is more consumer oriented than Intel, they care not only about money.

[Fury559]

The only thing is MSI appear to not be doing the B450 Gaming Carbon A/C, probably because it's too good and eating into X470/X570 sales, shame on them if you have to go to X470 other manufactures are better than MSI so it's only going to hurt them if we can't buy the Gaming Carbon.

[DanceswithUnix]

32GB EPROMs ? So much bloat, these days.

That would have a quartz erasing window the size of a greenhouse

Most people these days probably haven't heard of EPROM, that's a bit of a trip down memory lane

[999tigger]

Can Hexus ask why this does not include the B450 Pro Carbon, which must be one of its most popular boards? How much does it cost to change the eprom from16mb to 32, must be pennies.

[Ttaskmaster]

Wow. They've used up so many cool weapon-words for the different models, that they're having to include the Mortar crew, now?

Most people these days probably haven't heard of EPROM, that's a bit of a trip down memory lane

Well, I've heard of it... My old Psion Revo had one. Googled what it stood for. Never knew what it did, or why it was better than ROM or RAM, though. You lot are the giants on whose shoulders I stand... so to speak.

[DanceswithUnix]

Can Hexus ask why this does not include the B450 Pro Carbon, which must be one of its most popular boards? How much does it cost to change the eprom from16mb to 32, must be pennies.

Pennies?

256Mbit SPI flash roms are about £2 in quantity. That's bill of materials cost, so once it's laid down, tested and been through transport, warehousing and retail and some tax on top you can expect that to be about double to the consumer.

So that flash chip is about £4 of the cost of your mobo. That's nothing on a £150 X470 board let alone a £300 X570 board, but a significant proportion of an £80 B450 board let alone a £60 A320. So if they can save £1 by using the 128Mbit part, in a cut throat market it isn't surprising that they do.

[Jimrummy2395]

Sounds like a very cost effective way to make easy money. Their B450 boards are very solid for the price.

[badelhas]

Can anyone tell us when will the MAX versions be available to buy on retailers?