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    8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    Logo program will require certain minimum performance specs to be met or exceeded.
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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    8k is pure delusion if they actually think it's going to make "big inroads".

    It's nothing more than a way to jack up TV prices for a pointless resolution increase that no-one wants or uses, most of the world has barely even begun a move to 4K and there is no 8k content other than a few test demos all of which are very underwhelming because we are at the point of diminishing returns.

    Of course the AV industry if filled with idiots who see a bigger number and thinks it's better so expect plenty of brain dead pieces extolling the virtues of 8K.

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    What Kato said. ^^^

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    when your dealing with 80" screens, bring on the 8K :-) yes 8K screen on a 24" display waste of time but big screens esp for home cinemas pretty much a must if nothing else benefits from dithered scaling of 4K content to look half decent.

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    What Kato said.
    + They would have better time investing in people actually getting proper 4K content.
    Some movies are still made in 2K. 4K content is missing (compared to 720p and 1080p content).
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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    Pretty much agree with Kato, it's completely pointless. We have very little in the way of 4k content let alone moving to 8k. Most of our tv channels are still not even HD!!

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    We've got a 4K TV and finding content for that, which actually warrants the increase in screen technology and resolution, is few and far between. A typical 4K Blu Ray costs £25, for instance.

    This is delusional.

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    you wont notice the difference, only place where can see extreme resolutions useable is in eg. stuff you need to enhance in size to see with eg. a microscope or the likes. where it would be useable, with the physical eye and the likes you wont be able to see the difference really..

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoonigan View Post
    We've got a 4K TV and finding content for that, which actually warrants the increase in screen technology and resolution, is few and far between. A typical 4K Blu Ray costs £25, for instance.

    This is delusional.
    I agree, I have a 4K TV as well plus the HD Blu-Ray player and trying to see the extra detail is quite hard, a normal blu ray looks just as good as 4K.

    The only time I could really see the quality was with the Planet Earth 4K Blu ray, that looked amazing, other than that most if not all films I have watched have not really seemed any different and I think you would be hard pressed to tell which one is 4K and which one is a normal blu ray
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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    So much hate...

    I like to see it happen from various reasons.
    Our mobiles are usually FHD+. why? It's not only the marketing, rather for having smooth-clear fonts is hard to live without.
    Now when 4K is closer to mainstream we can see improvements in handling greater densities of pixel without introducing much more load on the GPU. This has to improve for 8K screens and further.
    You need content - therefore more consumer rank products that will be able to deliver 8k recordings.
    That mean better adaptation of codecs that support great bandwidths.

    My eyes are not the same, yet i still can see clear difference between 90PPI (usual FHD) vs 110PPI (usual QHD) vs 160PPI(usual UHD) vs 300PPI(usual phone) in all normal scenarios (40 cm up to 1 meter). And the most clear difference is with fonts.

    4k TV content is another topic I get preaty agitated with, so I will skip it

    I really hope to see more big monitors with great visual properties and ergonomics that will replace the need for multi-screen. Some of use like to use the space.

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    Quote Originally Posted by DevDrake View Post
    So much hate...


    My eyes are not the same, yet i still can see clear difference between 90PPI (usual FHD) vs 110PPI (usual QHD) vs 160PPI(usual UHD) vs 300PPI(usual phone) in all normal scenarios (40 cm up to 1 meter). And the most clear difference is with fonts.
    How often do you sit 40cm to 1m from your TV? This isn't about a need or otherwise for 8k display technology to exist. It's about its specific useage in TVs which are viewed from much greater distances.

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DevDrake View Post
    So much hate...


    My eyes are not the same, yet i still can see clear difference between 90PPI (usual FHD) vs 110PPI (usual QHD) vs 160PPI(usual UHD) vs 300PPI(usual phone) in all normal scenarios (40 cm up to 1 meter). And the most clear difference is with fonts.
    How often do you sit 40cm to 1m from your TV? This isn't about a need or otherwise for 8k display technology to exist. It's about its specific useage in TVs which are viewed from much greater distances.
    The standard is firstly made for TVs, yes. Then it is adopted to PCs/other. Wasn't that always the case for successful technologies?

    Answering your question - not much anymore cause I have monitor of the size of TV. In the past I had TV instead of a monitor (which had lots of drawbacks but that another story) and i was siting in front of it like 80 cm everyday for an hour at last. In that special use case scenario it was quiet often.

    Again it is about the adoption of technology and it goes first where most money are.

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    The biggest issue is 8K content. The costs involved in scanning old media and bringing it to 4K were/are substantial. They're not gonna do that for 8K, which, if I remember right, is the absolute ceiling of resolution you can get from scanning film. That's a rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbishton of work for a very VERY niche market.

    The bigger problem however is a for quite a while now all media has been recorded digitally..by 4K cameras. So there is going to be a huge gap of content available, unless you want upscaled stuff. And 8K recording is still a way off; the live storage for 4K recording already is quite silly. It's literally 4x as much for 8K.

    There'll be a market for it, but it'll be super niche. Huge TVs, home cinema, things like that. But I sit ~2ft away from a 43" 4K screen and don't see any artifact/noise, and on my 55" sitting 5-6ft away, same.

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    I seem to remember the exact same kerfuffle about 4k when it was announced. These things have to start somewhere, so why not have some standards for manufacturers to attain?

    It'll be super-niche to start with, but once 8k cameras become more common, more stuff will be filmed with them

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    I seem to remember the exact same kerfuffle about 4k when it was announced. These things have to start somewhere, so why not have some standards for manufacturers to attain?

    It'll be super-niche to start with, but once 8k cameras become more common, more stuff will be filmed with them
    I fully understand and appreciate that we can't just stand still and constant innovation is good, but 4K is nowhere near commonplace yet, that's my argument. We shouldn't be developing 8K standards with 4K being so under used.

    Hell, Sky and Virgin Media are still charging a premium for 1080p for crying out loud!

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    Re: 8K Association announces consumer TV specs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonj1611 View Post
    I agree, I have a 4K TV as well plus the HD Blu-Ray player and trying to see the extra detail is quite hard, a normal blu ray looks just as good as 4K.

    The only time I could really see the quality was with the Planet Earth 4K Blu ray, that looked amazing, other than that most if not all films I have watched have not really seemed any different and I think you would be hard pressed to tell which one is 4K and which one is a normal blu ray
    Ah, I worded my post quite badly. What I meant was, finding 4K content that isn't through Netflix or Amazon, where compression is high and overall quality is low, is very difficult to find. The only content I enjoy watching in 4K is on UHD Blu Rays but they're not cheap.

    Sky charge a ridiculous sum of money for the SkyQ and Virgin Media offer barely any channels in 4K.

    We need to see the industry adopt 1080p and 2160p fully before we even think about 8K, IMO.

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