Google officially reveals the Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL smartphones

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Biggest update is probably the dual-camera system with added telephoto lens.

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Not very impressive and way too expensive for their hardware. I mean that is an older processor, 6gb ram is on the low end as well, with top end models offering 8gb ram and the cameras in terms of megapixels are quite weak as well.

And no 5G. This is what the Pixel 3 should've been.

Some of the contract deals on HUKD seem pretty decent for a high end flagship. Google are doing a free HP chromebook with contract purchases from at least 2 of the first "carriers" to do the contract deal on the Pixel 4s.

I have a Pixel 1 was very happy with it (until I smashed it in frustration one day...) and got some parts to fix it. Doesn't look like it's going to be fixable though so I am thinking I may get another. I got the 128 GB ROM model for £205 quite some time ago.

The battery life was very bad really though. Things changed?

I've used a Pixel 2XL for quite some time now. Very happy with it. Sad to see the fingerprint sensor go.

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Originally Posted by SlickR

Not very impressive and way too expensive for their hardware. I mean that is an older processor, 6gb ram is on the low end as well, with top end models offering 8gb ram and the cameras in terms of megapixels are quite weak as well.

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The 855+ is the same chip as the 855, but is binned for ever-so-slightly higher speed (0.12GHz difference).

As for megapixels... really? 2012 wants its discussion back. Given the Pixel 3 had arguably the best still camera in a smartphone to date, chances are the Pixel 4 is going to be at least as good.

The RAM - fair enough there's no reason they couldn't go for 8GB, but it doesn't have to deal with third-party skins either (looking at you Samsung). The iPhone 11 has 4GB.

Still, not a phone for me, though if I was after a flagship this is the one I'd go for. Google One for me.

Meh - phone tech really has plateaued recently. I'll be sticking with my £160 mid range that does everything well enough. Really wish Google would stop chasing the top end with Pixel devices and go back to brilliant highish spec at budget price Nexus range...

I prefer my Redmi 6 to my Pixel 1 in all ways but perhaps camera (and I haven't side by sided them ..)

People are being very harsh here. This is a flagship spec phone. The only processor which is better is the 855+ which is a marginal improvement by binning. There is no better processor available for this phone. 6GB of RAM is not on the low end, it's kinda standard for a flagship with more being a bonus and frankly not necessary unless you're trying to compensate for bloated / poorly optimised GUI skins. 4GB is enough on most phones right now and so you can safely say 6GB will be enough for the next few years. More than 6GB is bragging rights, marketing, e-peen, etc. Expensive for their hardware? Their hardware is the same as everyone else's... The SoC is Qualcomm, the NAND is likely Samsung, the OLED panel is likely Samsung, the camera modules are likely Sony, etc etc. I don't see why Google's hardware should be cheaper? Should a PC put together by two different manufacturers using identical components be cheaper from one manufacturer compared to the other because.... reasons? You're not impressed because we have seen this phone configuration before from many different manufacturers because no one knows how to make it better or has the next evolution ready at a price we can afford.

Price - well, compare it to Samsung and Apple and it'll probably come out quite well. The cost here is not so much in the BOM compared to everyone else's costs, it's the R&D. It's a Google phone so things like the scheduler will be well tuned and cameras are all about software optimisations these days. You can have two phones with the same camera hardware and one be good and the other awful. That is what you're paying for along with the support / updates further down the line.

But if you want something cheap, which has long lasting support with regular and quick updates and on top of that has a camera set up which is competing to be one of the best in the business (whether it achieves that or not is another matter but the money to compete at this end has still been expended) and has top of the range flagship components as well as 5G....

...keep dreaming.

You can have cheap but if it's cheap, you'll compromise support and usually R&D and then you'll moan when you don't get the latest version of Android three minutes after released. If it's well supported, it can't be cheap. If you want a good camera and for it to be cheap, it won't be well optimised. If you want it to be well optimised, it can't be cheap.

If you're going to be happy with a mid range phone, fine. But if you want flagship features, full support and well optimised software you will pay for that. Unfortunately saying "well this one does it cheap" "well this one manages support" "well this one has a good camera" doesn't mean a product that does all of those will magically appear.

As for 5G, I'm sure if they put that in, you'd be complaining that it was even more expensive, that it was more suited to Trigger Happy TV than a pocket and that it was pointless. I'm sorry, this thread just reads like a whinge fest and a list of totally unreasonable demands.

Hopefully this means the Pixel 3 will be going cheap. No mention of the 3.5mm jack?

"90Hz flexible OLED always-on displays"
Hmm. Sounds like a fair battery drain... Either way, both are far more than I'm willing to spend.

Google hasn't made a good phone (with good price : performance ratio) since the Nexus 5 :P

Although, technically, LG made it 😊

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Google hasn't made a good phone (with good price : performance ratio) since the Nexus 5 :P

Although, technically, LG made it ������

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I'd argue the Nexus 6P was just as good value at £440 as the Nexus 5 at £340. While the Nexus 5 was excellent, and my second favourite phone, the 6P was brilliant in every way in my opinion - industry best camera at the time (it's still good now), something the N5 was sorely, sorely lacking, and front-facing speakers, something which I considered a must (the Pixel 4 gets halfway there on that, but it's one of few which do in this bezelless market).

The only issue with the 6P was the battery life after 18 months or so, when they started cutting off while reporting plenty of battery (starts at 5% or so and got steadily worse, cutting off at over 30% when I stopped using it regularly).

suprised people coment on this as most phone users can't even see where they are walking .... bring back the dumb phone !