What? The web was only invented 30 years ago. I used the internet 5 years before that, but not a lot of people outside of the odd researcher in universities was even aware of it then, let alone needing gigabit fibre to their home.Originally Posted by Corky34
My email address and domain was bought by myself in erm...1993 or 1994. I must hold some strange record then
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
And we were right up there as one of the countries leading the way, BT had plans and even facilities to manufacture the equipment that would be needed for a full fibre network, the first wide area fibre optic network was set up in Hastings.
Unfortunately, the Thatcher government decided that it wanted the American cable companies providing the same service to increase competition. So the decision was made to close down the local loop roll out and in 1991 that roll out was stopped. The two factories that BT had built to build fibre related components were sold to Fujitsu and HP, the assets were stripped and the expertise was shipped out to South East Asia.
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Sticks-livers, (ohh-arr) forget that its uneconomical to reach them with fibre? Why should I, as a city dweller (non-dung-flinger), subsidise YOUR internet connex?. I cant get Fibre in Central London, so am having to go for wireless Broadband instead, supposedly unlimited (1000Gb/pm). Stump up more taxes , you tax dodging clod-hoppers.
BT OpenReach should be re-nationalised, it's critical national infrastructure and shouldn't be in the hands of shareholders whose only interest is making money, rather than providing a public service.
Lol should be re-nationalised and private shareholders.. methinks you're a bit confused there sir or being very ironic. I can't quite tell
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
Lol you should read the actual reply rather than an email notification!I spotted the mistake and edited right away but obviously the notification got sent before I updated it. Still would have made for a very ironic reply as you say.
Yeah as I did it it changed....Lol you should read the actual reply rather than an email notification!
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
I am not a London dweller.
Why should I have to pay for the massive super-sewers to alleviate YOUR flooding, when I'm on top of a hill 40 miles away and not even connected to the same SDAC as London?
Why should I have to pay insane fees for my train travel, just to subsidise your Tube fares?
Moreover, you likely cannot get fibre because you live in such a stupidly high population in such a stupidly built-up area... for the same reason you now need a super-sewer. Namely, there have been so many services and utilities laid, one atop the other, atop another, atop yet more, that companies can no longer get through all that cack to service their own assets. There are many locations where we cannot get to ours because someone built a railway over the access point, then laid gas over that, then sewers, then more gas, then electric, then clean water, then telephone lines, then more electric.... Oh, and good luck getting council permission to dig up any roads. Your precious fibre internet will cause traffic jams for weeks!
That's just the physical practicalities, never mind factoring in how much it'd actually cost to lay fibre, as well....
A lot of London fibre is having to be laid inside the sewers because there is absolutely no accessibility anywhere else!
Thing is, London generates a lot of tax revenue for the government, but companies private generate a lot more in private revenue from those outside London... and you wouldn't be in this situation in the first place if you'd invested outside of London instead of trying to cram it into a seething cesspool just because it's the capital city. This is why places like Reading get lots of investment and big companies headquartered here, instead of London.
If you prefer, we can just keep this food we grow here and you can fend for yourselves...?
Nationalised services are mostly funded from borrowing. Private companies (certainly the likes of ours) get some revenue from customer bills, but the vast majority comes from.... borrowing. Yep, 's true.
The only difference is in, respectively, public government borrowing vs private borrowing and investment.
Certainly we have become utterly amazeballs with the power of private investment, compared to the utter spit-shower we were when nationalised. Do not be too quick to nationalise something...
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Doesn't sound too exciting imo. Gigabit fibre has been available for years if you live in the right area or are willing to pay for the cables to be put in - BT are "Just another ISP" these days so it's quite amazing the amount of PR they are able to get from launching a new product that so few people will be able to get.
I think a lot of people still associate them too closely with Openreach and therefore assume that this also means BT are going to magically make this available to lots of people - but it will still rely on the Openreach rollout. Sky et al will also be able to sell this service on the same infrastructure (and in fact, Sky have been testing FTTP for a while now)
Given how slowly FTTC went and how G.FAST is taking even longer, I suspect it will be a very , very long time before most of us can order this product....
Errm, it's entirely privately funded (ultimately via London sewerage charges for customers). https://corporate.thameswater.co.uk/...ill-pay-for-it
The tube is self-funding https://www.timeout.com/london/blog/...-profit-052617
Higher density = cheaper to deploy, especially to appartment blocks (if you've ever been to SE Asia you'll understand why they have so much fibre - 10s of 50 odd story residential towers tightly packed together). That's why Hyperoptic started in London to deploy to new appartment blocks. It's why they are so cheap too.
https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first The map on this page shows how far off most people are.
yup. I'm within the london zones and still nowhere near!
Errmm, to quote that very page you just linked - "Over time, the tunnel will be paid for by all the customers who use Thames Water’s sewerage service"
Besides, it also doesn't maintain itself, so someone has to look after it... and I don't work for free.
It's far more complicated and interconnected than that page suggests, but there's a lot of subsidising and creative accounting going on that underpins the entire London Underground system.
I confirmed this with our Train Geek - Our team employs a Civil Engineer who is an absolute Trainiac and really knows his stuff when it comes to the railways... so please don't debate me on this, as I'll have to get the long, detailed version out of the guy and I really don't want to speak to him unless absolutely necessary!!
This is the UK, not SE Asia...
Higher density in places requiring lots of delicate and high-risk excavations = Getting very expensive again.
Add to that all the TWOSAs and BAPAs and all the other protection orders, with all their unlimited liabilities.
Add to that the hassle of securing NRSWA notices on top tier traffic sensitive and engineering difficult roads.
Add to that the cost implications if you actually damage the wrong asset, with the knock-on effect it'd have on all the surrounding ones.
Oh, and it's London, so in some areas you can expect a metric flip-tonne of Grade x Listed historic buildings and features that are at risk from any roadworks.
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Sounds like you want have more of a problem of not having enough money for reasonable service than problem with its services. As for wifi covarage - there is a thing called router, go look it up! The modems that come with your connection never have or will be any good as they are FREE. So, again, cba to spend some money but want it all? yeah gl with that, especially with bt
I'm always surprised by how bad UK's regulation on broadband are, I'm from Brazil and really, they just can't get away with things like this. Over here, you pay not for access but for speed, so my ISP as an example; have packages from 30mb all the way up to 3gb speeds, I pay for 300Mb and they need to deliver at least 80% of that all the time, otherwise it's considered that my service was interrupted untill they're able to give me that 80% of 300mbps once again and while I'm in a "service interupted" situation, I don't pay for my internet even if it only happened during night time when I'm sleeping, they need to deduct that from the bill I'll pay. This ended up creating a situation where ISPs here deliver 10% more boradband than you actually pay for, just for the off chance that there's any problem with the connection. And there are problems, my bill is R$144,00 and there were months when I paid less than R$120,00 thanks to interruptions of the service (144 in Brazilian money is about the equivalent of 30 euros or so). Still, it sems ages beyond what happens in the UK, we get consistent speeds most of the time, there's few outages and we don't end up paying more after a given period, it's actually way more likely that they offer us a cheaper package down the line to keep us from moving to another ISP.
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