Yay!
Sort of... let's see what the mobo manufacturers do with this 'gift'...
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Yay!
Sort of... let's see what the mobo manufacturers do with this 'gift'...
:shocked2:
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Originally Posted by kompukare
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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
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Originally Posted by KultiVator
Yes,but now motherboard makers need to do the support. Let's see if Asus gets on it! ;)
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Originally Posted by 3dcandy
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Originally Posted by ik9000
Well from what Gamersnexus said about how interested OEMs were:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
MSI>ASRock/Gigabyte>Asus.
My motherboard is Asus!! :surprised:
just for once I'm glad to have gone MSI. I notice they also provided PS2 at the high end too. If they'd just help me with my driver issue instead of ignoring my posts maybe I wouldn't think they were so bad.
Pfft, why resist? CAT could be considered a Moosekateer... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
PS2 - why?Quote:
Originally Posted by ik9000
I like the ring of Moosekateer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Output
better for high end OC and more importantly for me - allows easy win7 install :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
Is it because of the lack of USB3 support ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ik9000
I think this is a positive move. But at the same time it feels like there is a game of double standards going on.
Sure, new buyers of B450 would get singed, but it’s still untold the longevity of the AM4 socket and compatibility with the number of CPUs it offers. These new buyers are also buying a chipset that is over a year old now and for what is ostensibly a very competitive price. AMD announce a cut off point and their fans are in uproar.
Switch to Intel... who change chipset almost every year, bring almost nothing to the table and just iterate and they get away with it. Look at the new 10th Gen stuff. Needs a new chipset, none of which come cheap like AMDs do. Why? Power delivery. The process node is the same. The core architecture is the same. There are scant or no new features even Gen4 PCI-E on these boards. Yet the costs of the boards and the chips are staggering. And where are the crowds in uproar about that? Neither to be seen or heard. And the joke is that Intel will still sell them hand over fist.
Just doesn’t seem fair that AMD are offering so much and yet still can’t get away with a cut off point on a very widely compatible product that is available at competitive prices.
"buy our boards, we don't screw you over like intel"Quote:
Originally Posted by Syphadeus
"Great, you bought our boards! Thanks! Anyone mind if we screw you over like intel?"
"Oh you do mind, ok ok we did say we wouldn't do that so we won't. Mostly. But you can't have your cake and eat it. We'll needlessly make it a one-way trip"
AMD made posts calling out Intel,and a lot of new buyers were converts from Intel fed up with what Intel was doing. So when AMD apparently did the same,they were OFC annoyed. The fact is AMD made vague statements and implications that they "were better" than the competition due to socket longevity,and they didn't release a mainstream chipset for Zen2.
Intel never has implied or stated they would maintain sockets,but AMD did.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD in July 2019
Also,I think you underestimate how much negativity Intel has got over it's CFL lockouts too:
https://forums.hexus.net/cpus/380639-really-intel.html
https://forums.hexus.net/hexus-news/...-chipsets.html
yup. you either need a ps2 card or usb2 card. My usb2 card wouldn't play nicely however my ps2 card worked fine - so I could have done it with a board without native ps2, but it did make it easier to only have to keep swapping one of the two peripherals between uefi and windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apex
While I can believe ASUS weren't bothered how this all panned out, whether they embrace the new way forward is another thing entirely. They won't want to be singled out, and being the size they are may even have more resource to throw at it. My worry with Asus is the whole "you need to show you bought a Zen3 to get the Beta BIOS" thing. That involves attempting to interact with Asus support, something which from past experience fills me with dread.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
What will be interesting is how the 32MB Bios chip boards get implemented. I notice that my X470-Pro CPU support list seems to include everything from the old Excavator based Athlons and APUs with no notes of any of them being removed. Now Gamer's Nexus said rather interestingly that the older chips can only address a 16MB boot rom, so I guess it is already a done deal that Asus and MSI at least can put the boot support for old chips in the lower half of the 32MB rom (so they only see a 16MB image) and only make the newer chips attempt to address the upper portion allowing a single ROM to cover all chips. So fingers crossed this gets rolled into a standard BIOS image.
I still think this is a double edged "damned if you do, damned if you don't" blade scenario.
Sure, the reasonably justified anger towards AMD was there because they said something, realised they couldn't do it the way it needed to be done, then got pulled up on a you said this and now you're doing this?
All this has done has moved the problem to some point in the future to the vagarity of future purchases and the secondhand market. If the manufacturers makes an x4xx board, which BIOS do they put on it? If they put an old BIOS it's not compatible with Zen 3 but if they put a new BIOS it breaks Zen/Zen+ support. All it's done is created a problem for someone else some time in the future. You want to buy that secondhand X470 Taichi board? Well you're dumb out of luck with that Zen+ processor you have!
I agree that AMD did not play this very well, but at the same time a lot of celebration of giving AMD a black eye is being had, it's a short term victory. AMD thought they could fix the small BIOS problem before Zen 3 came out I bet, failed and had to do a restriction, the restriction did fly in the face of previous statements but for a legitimate reasonable reason.
I get Cats comments and his crusade has been victorious and the likeness of AMDs original restriction to how Intel does things. But Intels board/chipset lockouts are for even more pathetic reasons than a BIOS chip. Frankly, i would expect AMDs turnaround was more because of the possible litigation that can be made against them.
Oh well.
It's not that they can't get away with it, as ik9000 touched on it's that they spent years throwing rocks at Intel and then acted in a similar anti-consumer manner, if you're going to accuse someone of something you'd best be damn sure you don't do something similar down the line, if you do it comes across as hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syphadeus
From a marketing perspective the whole support on AM4 thing was a good idea at the time but marketing probably got a bit carried away and should've talked to the technical side a bit more, they don't need to be throwing rocks at Intel any more as they have a good product so they should let it speak for itself.