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    Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    A12Z Bionic dev system launched today, first consumer systems will roll out before New Year.
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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    They can convert their Macbooks to ARM,and make them even less repairable(just look at YouTube channel such as Louis Rossman's channel),since existing tools can't be used. Then they will control integration even more,meaning unlike older MacBooks which could last years,which were upgradeable,and repairable,these will be essentially tablets with keyboards,so within 5 years updates will disappear,and new software won't work on the old OS. Also after seeing the Power PC to X86 transition,you are going to have fun if you want backwards compatibility,and have a joint Windows/Linux/MacOS environment. So if you had licenses which covered X86/Windows,instead of using a dual boot on your Mac,you will have to buy additional Mac specific licenses. You could try running a VM,but hard to say whether Apple will invest effort into it. At least they will look OK and have better battery life - maybe they will overheat less now?
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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Some 'mac fans' had been essentially laughing at anyone who suggested that iOS would eventually be the 'OS of choice' for the 'professional hardware'.... the transition is basically now starting imo, OS11 can run iOS/iPad OS apps natively on arm, it's just had a refresh on the UI so it's more like that of iOS/iPad OS.. given enough time they'll gradually take out the 'pro features' along with a gradual lockdown of the OS meaning you can only run/buy software from their store, just like on iOS.

    Apple is basically all about control these days (kind of ironic considering the advert from 1984) and removing anything 'non apple' such as the processor means the only people that can actually repair said hardware are apple (as said by cat), throw in the control over software side of it as well and you might as well just hand your bank details over at purchase...oh wait they'll probably expect you to have the apple credit card too....

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    Some 'mac fans' had been essentially laughing at anyone who suggested that iOS would eventually be the 'OS of choice' for the 'professional hardware'.... the transition is basically now starting imo, OS11 can run iOS/iPad OS apps natively on arm, it's just had a refresh on the UI so it's more like that of iOS/iPad OS.. given enough time they'll gradually take out the 'pro features' along with a gradual lockdown of the OS meaning you can only run/buy software from their store, just like on iOS.

    Apple is basically all about control these days (kind of ironic considering the advert from 1984) and removing anything 'non apple' such as the processor means the only people that can actually repair said hardware are apple (as said by cat), throw in the control over software side of it as well and you might as well just hand your bank details over at purchase...oh wait they'll probably expect you to have the apple credit card too....
    The worst thing they will make more money doing this,and all the "investors" will force PC makers to do the same. So if this succeeds,expect less and less upgradeable laptops/desktops which are harder to repair. OS updates which will last less than 5 years,etc. I really hope the various initiatives worldwide on right to repair work. Companies such as Apple,and many phone and tablet makers,are creating huge amounts of E-Waste,which is being dumped in poorer countries.

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    One example,is that there is one poorly cooled voltage regulation chip in newer MacBooks which can actually easily overheat and burn out,causing a voltage spike to the CPU,hence destroying it.

    The problem is they now solder the SSDs directly to the motherboard,and in past models,they had an additional data port onboard. However,they restricted sale of the tool for that port,but if you had the tool you could pull any user data off the non-functional motherboard. Now,they removed the data port on the latest MacBooks to save a bit of money. So if the motherboard goes kaput,then you have lost all your data.


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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    Apple is basically all about control these days (kind of ironic considering the advert from 1984)
    It was nothing more than marketing that's all.

    Nearly all(if not all) corporations follow such a phase. They are quite open and accepting when small, but as they get bigger they are filled with a strong desire to control.

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidC1 View Post
    It was nothing more than marketing that's all.

    Nearly all(if not all) corporations follow such a phase. They are quite open and accepting when small, but as they get bigger they are filled with a strong desire to control.
    Apple tried doing it too much last time. They became a patent troll,using the hard work of Xerox PARC,and they patented some parts of desktop GUIs. Then sued tons of companies and eventually got those GUI patents invalidated by judges,as the US government got fed up.

    But Apple's investor calls are about it being a "services company" now.


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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    More reasons not to buy Apple!

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The worst thing they will make more money doing this,and all the "investors" will force PC makers to do the same. So if this succeeds,expect less and less upgradeable laptops/desktops which are harder to repair. OS updates which will last less than 5 years,etc. I really hope the various initiatives worldwide on right to repair work. Companies such as Apple,and many phone and tablet makers,are creating huge amounts of E-Waste,which is being dumped in poorer countries.
    To be fair some pc companies are already trying to do the whole 'buy a new one' when broken approach.. I don't mind so much with laptops (although I wish ram and ssd could be changed on all hardware) but I wouldn't want a desktop like it.


    One example,is that there is one poorly cooled voltage regulation chip in newer MacBooks which can actually easily overheat and burn out,causing a voltage spike to the CPU,hence destroying it.

    The problem is they now solder the SSDs directly to the motherboard,and in past models,they had an additional data port onboard. However,they restricted sale of the tool for that port,but if you had the tool you could pull any user data off the non-functional motherboard. Now,they removed the data port on the latest MacBooks to save a bit of money. So if the motherboard goes kaput,then you have lost all your data.
    The good old 'planned obsolescence' where they actively design the hardware to fail after a set period of time.... and while they're at it screw the user over, although I'm sure they'd prefer to sell you some expensive online backup solution instead, apple being a 'services company' now.

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    This sound even more exclusive, where can i sign up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, end irony.

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Linus Tech Tips Macbook Air video....

    Nuff said
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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    yawn, ARM performance is way below what intel and AMD offer.

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    yawn, ARM performance is way below what intel and AMD offer.
    But the poor thermals in their laptops has handicapped them for years.... and nobody complained
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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Like it or not this will almost certainly be a big success for Apple, but if you're reading this thread you're almost certainly not their target market.

    Adobe will love it too, people will have to subscribe to CC as their old Mac versions will stop working/ will be slow and inefficient via Rosetta.

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    "biggest mistake in more than a decade"

    Edit:
    "It costs $500 for developers as part of the kit but it must be returned to Apple at the end of the Universal App Quick Start Program."

    Question: Are they going also to return the $500 to you or not? Amazing Thieves
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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    yawn, ARM performance is way below what intel and AMD offer.
    I think this is more a poke in the eye for Intel's IGP than their CPU.

    Will be interesting to see what happens with their user interface. If they unify that like Microsoft did, then we could have a MacOS Vista on our hands.

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    Re: Apple announces two year x86 to Arm Mac CPU transition period

    There is so much wrong with Apple machines I'm surprised anyone buys them for anything serious.

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