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    Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    AMD APU inside is said to offer the same CPU config/speeds as the X, but a lower tier GPU.
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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    But can it Run Crysis - Remastered?

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Parents will not splash out for a Series X if this is going to be significantly cheaper. That means this machine could become the standard, because of a larger user base. Will it have the same SSD? If not, that will really hurt loading times and the PS5 will be so much better off as there is only one set hardware standard.

    By creating this machine, Microsoft could be shooting themselves in the foot. I don't see who would want it apart from the parents of little Johnny who don't understand and buy the cheaper one and as a Christmas launch guess who will be buying those consoles.

    Will be interesting to see what the price points are for both consoles, if it's half the price then parents will end up purchasing that over the more expensive one. If it's £50-100 cheaper is it worth producing two consoles. Unless they are just binning the failed series X GPUS @ 12TF and use them for the lower spec console. Still I can't see a the RRP being that much lower if that's the only difference.

    Will little Johnny just ask for a PS5 so his parents can't order the slower one?

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorcaran View Post
    Parents will not splash out for a Series X if this is going to be significantly cheaper. That means this machine could become the standard, because of a larger user base. Will it have the same SSD? If not, that will really hurt loading times and the PS5 will be so much better off as there is only one set hardware standard.

    By creating this machine, Microsoft could be shooting themselves in the foot. I don't see who would want it apart from the parents of little Johnny who don't understand and buy the cheaper one and as a Christmas launch guess who will be buying those consoles.

    Will be interesting to see what the price points are for both consoles, if it's half the price then parents will end up purchasing that over the more expensive one. If it's £50-100 cheaper is it worth producing two consoles. Unless they are just binning the failed series X GPUS @ 12TF and use them for the lower spec console. Still I can't see a the RRP being that much lower if that's the only difference.

    Will little Johnny just ask for a PS5 so his parents can't order the slower one?
    But if it's half the price of a PS5 then it WILL sell well...
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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace007 View Post
    But can it Run Crysis - Remastered?
    lmao

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace007 View Post
    But can it Run Crysis - Remastered?
    Looking at screenshots released my phone could run it.

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorcaran View Post
    Parents will not splash out for a Series X if this is going to be significantly cheaper. That means this machine could become the standard, because of a larger user base. Will it have the same SSD? If not, that will really hurt loading times and the PS5 will be so much better off as there is only one set hardware standard.

    By creating this machine, Microsoft could be shooting themselves in the foot. I don't see who would want it apart from the parents of little Johnny who don't understand and buy the cheaper one and as a Christmas launch guess who will be buying those consoles.

    Will be interesting to see what the price points are for both consoles, if it's half the price then parents will end up purchasing that over the more expensive one. If it's £50-100 cheaper is it worth producing two consoles. Unless they are just binning the failed series X GPUS @ 12TF and use them for the lower spec console. Still I can't see a the RRP being that much lower if that's the only difference.

    Will little Johnny just ask for a PS5 so his parents can't order the slower one?
    Yes it has the same cpu and same sad with velocity architecture, gpu also supports ray tracing. This is designed for 1080p gaming rather than 4K. 25% of pixel count with 33% of series x gpu grunt

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Funny how many are saying this is a waste of time, how many of us have 2080ti's and how many of us spend less accepting lessor performance and are happy with that.

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    Funny how many are saying this is a waste of time, how many of us have 2080ti's and how many of us spend less accepting lessor performance and are happy with that.
    yuhuh, I sadly couldnt justify a 2080ti, but I will be getting the series x.

    I see them doing the series s bundled with game pass under a subscription, and if they can push that out for no upfront cost an something like £25 p/m then it will fly off the shelves.

    what would be better is if they put out halo onto game pass too, very big incentive for people then, and I believe they did say that all first party games will come to game pass a while back.

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Smart move from MS. Devs aren't going to be requiring the full fat performance for good 1080p gaming or they'd lock out PS5 as well, so if you've got a 1080p (or even 720p - there are still lots of them around) TV then this could keep console costs closer to previous generations (and if that image is real - is it? - back to gamecube-like compactness).

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorcaran View Post
    Unless they are just binning the failed series X GPUS @ 12TF and use them for the lower spec console.
    Most definitely this - its not like the PC market where they can release numerous versions of the same graphics chip and price them accordingly based on working CU's - they would essentially be worthless without all the CU's working.

    Along with only 2/3 of the expensive ram - reduced cooling? - smaller chassis? digital only too? it has to be at least £150 less (other wise its not worth the effort).

    Imagine if they could push this out at £300 this Christmas - all little Johnny wants to do is play the latest games with his mates from school.
    Series S - £300
    Series X - £500+??

    Big Johnny (Age 15-90) obviously wants the X but will ask for that one specifically or buy it themselves.

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Im not sure that they'll reuse the same chip. They developed the X Polaris chip for it's own console so why not do it again. I imagine using the same chip for s and x is negligible for costs when it qa is required.
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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Each time a new generation of consoles is released, the min spec developers target changes.
    Now, it looks while all three are 8C/16T Zen2, the min spec to which everything is targetted down to is a far weaker GPU and less RAM.

    GPUs scaling is a fairly well understood thing on PCs but this may force another layer of abstraction which might not have been required if only the two higher spec'ed were a target.

    8GB is also not good as certain going to potentially affect things too. If it's only for textures and stuff fine (a third of GPU power means lower quality textures), but if it affects AI and size of any open worlds it is a major negative thing.

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    That's ~17 CUs if the same frequency as the full fat version, probably 16 or so and slightly higher GPU clocks, so my money is on a custom die. It'll be a very capable system - faster than the xbone X, both for CPU and GPU (4 TFLOPs of RDNA > 6 TFLOPs GCN). It'll also make a brilliant APU, if they ever feel like releasing it on AM4 (wonder if it has the required AM4 SOC connections for SATA et al?). I predict no RT in order to get the price even more agreeable

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    I predict no RT in order to get the price even more agreeable
    For lockhart? I don't think there's a chance of that - it'll remain feature complete so devs don't have to make any changes between console versions.

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    Re: Xbox Series S Lockhart to be revealed this August

    Someone has already called this earlier in the comments but it's a genius move from Microsoft - if the yield of the XSX APUs is low they can re-use the parts that don't pass quality and would have binned in the Series S improving efficiency. They can also offer this console far cheaper undercutting the PS5 whilst still offering all of the next gen benefits - parity with XSX on everything except GPU active CU count, so Series S is 1080p gaming at £299 replacing the Xbox One X (these are on fire sale at the moment to get rid of stock) and Series X is 4K gaming at £499. They are also likely to offer both consoles on a mobile phone type contract (Xbox All Access) with £0 upfront and an attractive monthly fee of maybe £19.99 for the Series S and £24.99 for the Series X on a 24 month contract - both include Game Pass Ultimate in the price as well. This is also easy for developers to cater for as the system has parity everywhere except GPU TFLOPS so they only need lower the resolution, they don't need to worry about differences in the CPU speed, or lack of ray tracing or lack of SSD as the Series S will have all of these things because it uses the same APU as the Series X just with 1/4 of the CUs active.

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