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    Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    "Cloud PC provides business customers a modern, cloud-based Windows experience".
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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Microsoft's cloud stuff is invasive enough. Onedrive is a monstrosity that I can not get to work without it interfering with my files.

    I do not want my files to be in several locations at once, with a computer deciding which is the priority for synchronisation I can not control.

    I want my files to be WHERE I PUT THEM and nowhere else. If I want a copy on a drive somewhere else, I'll choose what version I want to go there, when I want it to go there and if there is a need for routine backups, I'll schedule that. FOR THAT ONE FILE.

    Onedrive taking my documents and synchronising them is not in the least bit helpful for me. I have a backup system in place but it insists on interfering. It once reverted a crucial spreadsheet back to an earlier version due to a conflict which it decided to resolve. It has done this twice, once losing a year worth of data (recovered from manual backups not affected by onedrive) and once losing a months worth because it decided I would very much like everything synchronising with a older version.

    I do NOT want my documents to leave my PC unless I tell them to. And I really do not want my desktop to appear with a few things mission due to an incomplete sync. Once I spent ages looking for some stuff that had vanished, only for it to return when I figured it was onedrive, restored the dropped internet connection and let it sync again. It doesn't work properly, get it off my system.

    If they can't do that without driving me nuts, do I really trust them to have my whole system under their control? The whole point of a PC is that it is personal. One size does not fit all and it's infuriating enough when they fiddle with things and move settings into a completely different location. It's like your mum coming into your bedroom and moving everything because it "looks better to me like this". Except when MS do it, it renders it impossible to find a technical step by step guide which isn't out of date. You used to be able to search for "touch screen calibration windows [insert 7,8,XP,NT,ME,Vista]". Now you search for "touch screen calibration windows 10" and it could be related to a completely different version of the OS and be a totally irrelevant guide.

    Having them fiddle with stuff under my nose on my own PC is bad enough, imagine if I gave them total control?

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Well, barring any rants misunderstanding the scope of cloud PC as a service...

    Microsoft has been needing to do this for a while, Citrix and VMWare vRealize automation and other related services have already made desktop as a service a reality.

    I know of two large multinational businesses that have homogenised to a massive data cluster in the UK and everyone worldwide just has a citrix frontend receiver. No global maintenance costs except plug and play PXE boot HP EliteDesks, no follow the sun support in every region on premise. But they could do that because the IT budget is larger than most businesses yearly revenue.

    Microsoft doing this is going to be welcome for small/medium businesses who want to save on hardware costs and already looking at Azure investment.

    Personal use, i don't see that taking off.

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Yeah this reads more as a 'web based' virtual desktop, maybe with limited software, or a web based thin client than anything else.

    I've also read about windows x being turned into essentially a chromebook on the low end without any support for x86 containers which is being kept for the high end supposedly.... nothing like confusing things even more MS.... having said that, windows x being 'web only' and a cloud pc service might actually be a viable option for some people/businesses. It wouldn't be for me but with a lot of the current generation primarily being used to things like the iPad, it doesn't exactly bode well for the 'power user' types on desktop sadly.

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    I wouldn't touch a cloud based service with a stick covered in poo, never mind let it anywhere near my pc

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    They might have to be wary of Pelicans flying into them.


    Those despicable Elk,stealing the pond weed!

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    ... Onedrive is a monstrosity that I can not get to work without it interfering with my files.

    I do not want my files to be in several locations at once, with a computer deciding which is the priority for synchronisation I can not control. ...
    Before Win 10 I wouldn't have dreamed of using a cloud storage service at all, unless I had to for work purposes. Then shortly after I went to Windows 10 I decided I'd give using my Microsoft account a go.

    I have to say I've never had any issues with One Drive. It doesn't touch any files outside of my dedicated One Drive folder, and I've told it exactly what to sync and what to leave alone. And so far - which is around 4 years of daily use - it's respected my wishes on that. I set it up differently on pretty much every device I own, as they all have different uses. Again, no problems so far.

    Maybe I'm just lucky?

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Before Win 10 I wouldn't have dreamed of using a cloud storage service at all, unless I had to for work purposes. Then shortly after I went to Windows 10 I decided I'd give using my Microsoft account a go.

    I have to say I've never had any issues with One Drive. It doesn't touch any files outside of my dedicated One Drive folder, and I've told it exactly what to sync and what to leave alone. And so far - which is around 4 years of daily use - it's respected my wishes on that. I set it up differently on pretty much every device I own, as they all have different uses. Again, no problems so far.

    Maybe I'm just lucky?
    This really strikes at the core of what I have most despised about Windows 10 since, well, round about Windows 8.

    I remember pointing out not so much what W8 actually did, but "the direction of travel" which, in my opinion, was then and is now, Windows as a subscription service. I was told, at that time, that that was ridiculous.


    Personally, there was zero chance I was ever going to put business hardware into a situation where MS can change how it works at a whim, and I get to found out when I turn a PC on whether MS have decided to "upgrade" since I turned off.

    The only reason I now have a couple of Win10 machines is that I don't use them for business any more.

    When MS said they were "changing how they monetise" Windows, it was pretty obvious where they were, over a long-ish period, going. Now they're getting much closer, though still not quite there.
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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Well, barring any rants misunderstanding the scope of cloud PC as a service...
    I don't see how I've misunderstood based on the article? I started off ranting incoherently about what they currently do as a cloud service being an annoyance which causes genuine issues. I then progress, with beer fuelled bitterness, into asking why I'd want to give them more control, especially when they fiddle with stuff quite liberally as a matter of course as things stand.

    I can't imagine what would happen if they did this in a large business with many of the staff being technophones who rely on learning procedures parrot fashion and can't cope with constant "improvements". It's fine for nerds who can work around the problems, but when a lot of your staff are in their 50s and "don't get" computers, they can't cope with change.

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    Personally, there was zero chance I was ever going to put business hardware into a situation where MS can change how it works at a whim, and I get to found out when I turn a PC on whether MS have decided to "upgrade" since I turned off.
    At work we are having to move from Windows 7 to 10. We have loads of legacy stuff which relies on, amongst other things, Internet Explorer. We haven't moved as yet because these legacy applications are very sensitive to patching and so on, leading to them failing to work. It costs a fortune to upgrade software to a newer version and it has to be done purely to ensure it works with newer versions of Windows. When that software works just fine, there is little point in upgrading it to a new version but we are forced into it over time due to an evolving Windows environment. Windows 7 gave you some control over this stuff. Now we are moving to Windows 10 and yes, I'm sure they'll be able to delay and test the updates, but ultimately we are going to be pushed into updating more software again and again at a massive cost.
    Last edited by philehidiot; 21-07-2020 at 10:49 AM. Reason: MOAR RANTING (sober)

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Oh yes, we need all PCs to become cloud-based iPads, rip out any tools/options more indepth that one-click, so after some time nobody knows anything about how the system works - that will surely be better overall...

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    But what if its sunny?

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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Please calm down - this isn't for home users - its for corporate 'we want full control of your data' enterprises. (Microsoft are probably hoping to tempt a few medium sized as well). As for one drive - Microsoft are targeting dumb users who just expect everything to just work. With the advent of ransomware giving everyone a usable backup that works is pretty good. Unfortunately, power users just aren't a consideration. I learnt to just go with the flow with this sort of thing - truth be told - automatic offsite backup is a good thing for 99% of users. Mobile phones do this for you now and people expect it.
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    Re: Microsoft readying Cloud PC service for Spring 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    Please calm down - this isn't for home users - .....
    Yet.

    But "Home" versions of Office have bern renamed from Office 365 to Microsoft 365 too.

    By the time they get done, we won't have the 'personal' bit in Personal Computer, if MS get their way. We'll have MC's.
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