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    HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    The laptop's Intel Core i7-1165G7 has 4C/8T, with base/boost of 2.8/4.7GHz, Xe graphics.
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    Re: HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    Are they really still pushing Optane? Can't see it's going to make much difference with an NVMe drive.

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    Re: HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    The 2.8GHz base clock is probably the interesting thing here.

    Sure, it's only got 4 cores, but that's pretty high for a 15W SKU - assuming it really is 15W, as Intel's TDP ratings have been rather optimistic recently.

    AMD 4700U is 2GHz base (8 cores), or 2.1GHz base (6 cores 12 thread) or 2.3GHz base (6c 6t). The 4300U gets to 2.7GHz over 4 cores, but the turbo is only 3.7GHz. So it really looks like Intel has a clock advantage in mobile with TGL, and the new core should mean higher IPC as well.

    So this is probably what the Superfin helps with - clock speeds at low power.

    Hopefully AMD's Rembrandt on N7+ EUV will have improved mobile clocks as well. Let's hope it isn't as late as Renoir was.

    So Intel should ace the single threaded benchmarks this round, and by a clear margin. Multi-thread is going to be limited by the 4 cores, but the higher clock and IPC will help. Intel: 4x2.8x1.2=13 vs AMD: 8x2x1.0=16 it's closer than AMD would like I'm sure. AMD do have pricing on their side.

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    Re: HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    Why would you have an Optane drive and an NVME drive? Optane and SSD, ok and Optane and HDD, sure but is the reduced delay that useful/noticeable compared to the NVME?

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    Re: HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    Quote Originally Posted by sykobee View Post
    The 2.8GHz base clock is probably the interesting thing here.

    Sure, it's only got 4 cores, but that's pretty high for a 15W SKU - assuming it really is 15W, as Intel's TDP ratings have been rather optimistic recently.

    AMD 4700U is 2GHz base (8 cores), or 2.1GHz base (6 cores 12 thread) or 2.3GHz base (6c 6t). The 4300U gets to 2.7GHz over 4 cores, but the turbo is only 3.7GHz. So it really looks like Intel has a clock advantage in mobile with TGL, and the new core should mean higher IPC as well.

    So this is probably what the Superfin helps with - clock speeds at low power.

    Hopefully AMD's Rembrandt on N7+ EUV will have improved mobile clocks as well. Let's hope it isn't as late as Renoir was.

    So Intel should ace the single threaded benchmarks this round, and by a clear margin. Multi-thread is going to be limited by the 4 cores, but the higher clock and IPC will help. Intel: 4x2.8x1.2=13 vs AMD: 8x2x1.0=16 it's closer than AMD would like I'm sure. AMD do have pricing on their side.
    For a 15W chip in 2020, only 4 cores is a major disadvantage. This is an i7, so will be priced to match ryzen 8 cores - and those 8 cores run at 2.7 GHz in 15 W and turbo to 4.3GHz:





    https://next.lab501.ro/notebook/engl...e-i7-10710u/14

    The 4.8 GHz boost is only 100 MHz higher than the boost for 6 core comet lake U chips, so the inter-generation improvement is only really any IPC gains.

    Also, are you sure about the IPC values you're using? zen2 IPC is higher than skylake (just check out cinebench single threaded performance against clockspeed), so even if intel gets 20% more than skylake it doesn't mean they're 20% faster than zen2

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Why would you have an Optane drive and an NVME drive? Optane and SSD, ok and Optane and HDD, sure but is the reduced delay that useful/noticeable compared to the NVME?
    I see two possible reasons:
    1) contra-revenue so they can actually do something with the optane IP
    2) Intel demanding system integrators use optane to give a "premium" experience if they want to use i7s

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    Re: HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    I don't get the clocks anymore.. I mean you can have a better CPU that does not have such high clock and you can have an expensive space heater that has double the clock but same performance...

    It is like when Turbo became a thing... they put turbo on everything... sun glasses... clothing... probably consumeables as well.

    If I got to look at this CPU with logic eyes... then the low base vs 2K higher boost, more or less seem like it is a horrible bad piece of silicon or whatever they made it on that lack stability and wont be able to hold the max clock for long before the laptop melts down or explodes or something looking at the gap alone, I think most of us want stable power in the package when ever it get to it.

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    Re: HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    %NTSC.

    Ho hum.

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    Re: HP lets slip a Tiger Lake-powered Pavilion 13 laptop (13-bb0027nr)

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    %NTSC.

    Ho hum.
    45% NTSC = ~63% srgb, something like that. Really not acceptable on anything above a netbook.

    A seriously bargain basement panel, but it's an i7 with 16/512 and a stick of Optane...?

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