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    Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Der8auer sliced up some CPUs and put them under a scanning electron microscope.
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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    It was a very interesting mini series of videos. The equipment they use is as facinating as the findings.

    I love the fact the conculsion was that process node numbers are complete b******s and cant be used for comparing one manufactues process versus another.

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    I love the fact the conculsion was that process node numbers are complete b******s and cant be used for comparing one manufactues process versus another.
    *shock*, You'll be saying TDP numbers can't be compared next, or even GHz numbers

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    I love the fact the conculsion was that process node numbers are complete b******s and cant be used for comparing one manufactues process versus another.
    *shock*, You'll be saying TDP numbers can't be compared next, or even GHz numbers
    I guess he didn't meant that, only that different manufactures node sizes are incomparable between manufacturers. its comparing apples to pears.
    TDP is also funny in recent years, this is why Intel decided to use another metric for chip power usage, as no one trusted the TDP anymore.

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Mind blown, something's wrong with me that the technology of looking at things that small gets my juices fizzing.

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Quote Originally Posted by HEXUS View Post
    Another metric, probably worth closer consideration is transistor density, as revealed by the chip fabricators. Intel 10 nm and TSMC 7nm processes both produce dies with approx 90 million transistors per sq millimetre.
    The 10nm+ Sunny Cove core in Lakefield is ~50mT/mm2. Haven't seen any other actual calculated numbers for 10nm.

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Quote Originally Posted by edmundhonda View Post
    The 10nm+ Sunny Cove core in Lakefield is ~50mT/mm2. Haven't seen any other actual calculated numbers for 10nm.
    Not going on what wikichips worked out.
    For example, for Intel’s 10nm there are 8 diffusion lines with a fin pitch of 34nm giving us a cell height of 272. With a poly pitch is 54nm, we get [4 transistors] / [272 nm x (3 * 54 nm)] = 90.78 MTr/mm² for the NAND2 gate. For the complex flip-flop, Intel’s optimizations results in around 121 MTr/mm². The total density is thus around 102.9 MTr/mm² (note that Intel reported 100.8 MTr/mm²).
    If anyone questions that maths I'll cry BTW as what i just quoted is lost on me.

    I don't even understand what things like  and 'r' means.

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Never seen anything like this before, really insightful! Still can’t believe intel are still on 14nm though!

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Not going on what wikichips worked out.

    If anyone questions that maths I'll cry BTW as what i just quoted is lost on me.

    I don't even understand what things like  and 'r' means.
    These low geometries are hard to follow sometimes. I suppose  is a typo on a malformed website - it does not make sense. I do not see 'r' on its own, only as part of MTr, that I assume means Million Transistors. So you get Mtr/mm2 = Million Transistors per square millimeter.
    If you want to get your head explode, a rough number for distance between atoms in many solid materials is 0.1nm or 0.2nm.

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    Re: Intel 14nm and AMD/TSMC 7nm transistors micro-compared

    Great picture, Intel 14++ is likely be amd's 8nm or 7.5 nm

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