BT CEO warns it could be 2033 before UK gets 'Gigabit for all'

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UK PM Johnson said last year that he aimed to achieve goal this by the end of 2025.

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[cptwhite_uk]

So that'll be around 2047 then, and 100 billion over budget.

[LSG501]

In all honesty never expected gigabit internet here in 2025 and 2033 seems far to early based on their usual speed of rollout....

And lets be fair to they Government and BT, they should be allowed at least another year over 2025 due to delays caused by coronavirus etc.

The funny thing is I literally see a bt van parked up the road from me every week at the 'junction' box.... the amount of time they've spent there dealing with 'copper' connections they could have fitted fibre lol.

I also don't understand why the government are having to pay BT, a commercial entity with near monopolistic ownership of the telephone network, 5 BILLION (or 9 if BT gets their tax breaks)to basically upgrade the infrastructure they didn't even pay to install in the first place... BT should be paying for it out of their own pocket imo, it's not like they don't charge excessive amounts (compared with other countries) for usage or anything..

[Gentle Viking]

That sound ambitious, we Danes say 100 mbit at least for all, but i dont recall the time frame, but we should almost be there.
The only reason Denmark are listed as it is on broadband speed indexes is most are cheap and do not have a big fat connection even if they can get that.

I know a guy that have 30 / 30 mbit on fiber, and he could probably get 1000 / 1000 for the same price just switching ISP.

If i lived the right place i could get 5 / 5 gbit on fiber for the same i pay for 1000 / 100 on cable right now, but sadly that ISP are pretty limited in where they do business.

[ik9000]

In all honesty never expected gigabit internet here in 2025 and 2033 seems far to early based on their usual speed of rollout....

And lets be fair to they Government and BT, they should be allowed at least another year over 2025 due to delays caused by coronavirus etc.

The funny thing is I literally see a bt van parked up the road from me every week at the 'junction' box.... the amount of time they've spent there dealing with 'copper' connections they could have fitted fibre lol.

I also don't understand why the government are having to pay BT, a commercial entity with near monopolistic ownership of the telephone network, 5 BILLION (or 9 if BT gets their tax breaks)to basically upgrade the infrastructure they didn't even pay to install in the first place... BT should be paying for it out of their own pocket imo, it's not like they don't charge excessive amounts (compared with other countries) for usage or anything..

don't confuse BT with openreach. Two different things but somehow blurred together in a way I don't fully understand. From what more knowledgeable people have told me the government would do well to demand total separation of the two.

IMO they should create a NFP organisation whose sole task is 1GB for every property FTTP and fund that. No propping up of pension schemes and legacy culture to deal with then.

[[GSV]Trig]

I've always found its the upload that sucks, I'd probably be happy with fibre backbones everywhere and then 500/250 at the house.

[cheesemp]

I'd take any improvements. Granted I'm in a better position than some (By moving ISP I went from 20mbps download to 35mbps ) but it still not enough. I've been discussing this on a few broadband forums and the problem comes that even the 500+ properties estate I live in isn't worth upgrading unless your looking at 30+ year time frames and companies can't work on those timescales with share holders... I shall continue waiting but not expecting.

[ik9000]

companies can't work on those timescales with share holders... I shall continue waiting but not expecting.

Hence I think it needs an NFP company set up under a government mandate.

[LSG501]

don't confuse BT with openreach. Two different things but somehow blurred together in a way I don't fully understand. From what more knowledgeable people have told me the government would do well to demand total separation of the two.

IMO they should create a NFP organisation whose sole task is 1GB for every property FTTP and fund that. No propping up of pension schemes and legacy culture to deal with then.

Yeah I know they're supposed to be separate now but lets be honest they're basically the same company.

I know I might be in the minority here but I honestly wish that major UK infrastructure and utilities were 'run' by the government and then just leased out to the likes of BT instead... if they're paying for the upgrades they might as well run it.


Having said that I really don't see a need for 1 gigabit internet unless they ramp up the uploads to go with it, it's not like the servers online are going to keep up or anything, they're struggling with my current 80megabit line

[kalniel]

I know I might be in the minority here but I honestly wish that major UK infrastructure and utilities were 'run' by the government and then just leased out to the likes of BT instead...

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would notice the irony of BT leasing from a nationalised (say, British) telecommunication organisation

[LSG501]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would notice the irony of BT leasing from a nationalised (say, British) telecommunication organisation

True but I remember the time when they were nationalised and although I was young, the company seemed to work a lot better than it does now lol

[Saracen999]

True but I remember the time when they were nationalised and although I was young, the company seemed to work a lot better than it does now lol

I remember the days of waiting months just to get a phone line installed.

Mind you, rotary dial phones were state of the art and we did at least have automated switchboards by then.

I never quite understood why, with rotary dial, "emergency" was 999, when you had to dial it all the way round, wait while it zzzzz'd all the way back, then repeat. Twice. Even 911 is more logical for something that is (or should be) a ....y'know .... actual emergency. But like, no, pick the slowest conceivable number, 'cos hey, it's not like your house is on fire, you're being burgled/attacked, or someone's dying from a heart attack, or anything.

Anyway, I digress. Again.

[ik9000]

I remember the days of waiting months just to get a phone line installed.

Mind you, rotary dial phones were state of the art and we did at least have automated switchboards by then.

I never quite understood why, with rotary dial, "emergency" was 999, when you had to dial it all the way round, wait while it zzzzz'd all the way back, then repeat. Twice. Even 911 is more logical for something that is (or should be) a ....y'know .... actual emergency. But like, no, pick the slowest conceivable number, 'cos hey, it's not like your house is on fire, you're being burgled/attacked, or someone's dying from a heart attack, or anything.

Anyway, I digress. Again.

it's exactly because it was all the way around. Little fingers and meddlers were least likely to do it by accident, and in the dark you find the last hole then run your finger round until it hits the stop and then let go, rinse and repeat. There was a logic to it.

You realise that young posters won't have a clue what we're on about?

[mercyground]

they still arent hooking up new developments with fibre out of the gate. I doubt this will change anything.

Its a joke. However at least we arent as farked as the americans are. Their ISPs give zero farks and bend you over for all the cash they can get.

[Saracen999]

....

You realise that young posters won't have a clue what we're on about?

Oh, yes, indeed.

Remember those wedge-shaped contraptions with the height of new-tech, a push-button 'dial'?


Oh, and for the record, yeah I knew what the reason was, but why spoil a good rant?

[ohmaheid]

40 years ago, the GPO(Now BT) built two factories to fibre the whole of Britain. One factory to manufacture the actual fible cable, and the other to manufacture the various fittings and connectors.
Mrs Thatcher ordered the operation closed down to enable the privatisation of the GPO.
We were once world leaders in telecomms.
Now? Not so much.