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I think you're about right. Interesting that AMD provide the settings for almost all their other slides, but omit this one.
Honestly, that's good enough performance for me since I'm still on 1440p. It all comes down to pricing now, and maybe availability. DXR performance is a secondary concern for me but I'll still be keeping an eye out on that.
Lisa also didn't specify which GPU specifically so AMD could be holding out on us by showing us the second highest card rather than the flagship, but this could all very well be wishful thinking.
Yes. especially if those numbers are not from the biggest navi.
Still a substantial lift from the 5700 XT.
Outright performance dont interest me much as i have never wanted to pay for that, people that are interested in that will of course start taunting AMD in 3 - 2 - 1
I am interested in seeing what i can get at the same price point i paid for my 5700XT,,,, even if i am not shopping for a new GFX card as buying a new one every year would be stupid, not least for a person that are not exited about any new or coming games, and only play 1080p with a little ambition to go to 1440p.
Your 5700XT is more than enough for 1440p gaming if you wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gentle Viking
if they keep those numbers and use lesser power, then AMD is a win, especially if they then clock well in comparison to what NVIDIA currently offer.
Also this could be fun, if this card listed here is just their standard one and their Variant of XX80 and XX90 is gonnna hit as a bombshell...
Either way, Dear AMD and NVIDIA... show me what you got and take my money when ya both have a proper thing on the market.
The backup notes tend to suggest AMD is using the built-in benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Making matters deliberately nebulous is AMD not declaring exactly which Big Navi card this is.
Sure, and that makes sense, but I was impressed how the backnotes for all the other slides showed a lot of detail about the figures yet there wasn't a backnote (on the stream at least) about this one even with a few details (they didn't have to say which model, could have just said "big navi" :p) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarinder
I know. Keeping it, at least until "colossus navi" come out in 2022.
The 105 W in the new Ryzen 3 are alluring VS my near 300 W threadripper, and they are also a good deal faster even if i added 500 MHZ to my CPU.
If i was to update on the CPU side, using my current RAM i will just be able to use half of it ( 4 X 8 GB = 32 GB )
It would be smarter to hang in there until Ryzen 4 i think, and maybe go DDR5 by then.
They do know what they are doing on the GPU front, they been in the front end of the market for many many years, mostly in the consoles though, but they do know what they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TarinderThe backup notes tend to suggest AMD is using the built-in benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Making matters deliberately nebulous is AMD not declaring exactly which Big Navi card this is.
Either way AMD or Nvidia, which one of you is best? Please take my money for your biggest GFX card when we know, been jumping 2-3 generations and am hungry.
Tarinder, I think you're enjoying all this build up :D Is there a nice buzz around (virtual) Hexus towers at the moment?
I'll only enjoy it when Big Navi is in the house.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
To your earlier point about AMD's testing notes, I have copied the relevant section from the presentation deck for full disclosure.
'Testing done by AMD performance labs on 09/26/20 on a system configured with a new AMD graphics card, graphics driver 2009241322_20.45, Ryzen 9 5900X CPU, 16GB DDR4-3200MHz, engineering motherboard and BIOS, on Windows 10 Pro x64 19041.508. Games tested at 4K as follows: Borderlands 3 (DX12, Badass), Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (DX12, Ultra), Gears of War 5 (DX12, Ultra). Performance may vary. GPU redacted.'
Any typos in that are my own.
That's awesome, thanks.
Well so far it's pretty much what you'd expect - and tbh if AMD released a card that didn't at least come close to the 3080 both with Raytracing enabled and without they would effectively have shown they had given up entirely on the high end market.
Really curious what the real world numbers show when we can get some direct comparisons - I still don't really believe they can do it tbh, and I expect the Nvidia cards to still win out in most situations...but then again, if AMD can price their cards lower and get them to run quieter and get similar performance, that would be different.
I am unlikely to buy one as I find G-Sync ultimate very valuable and am the type to buy the best performance I can rather than best value performance, but I would give up G-Sync if AMD could push performance enough that I simply didn't need it and standard Freesync2+ would do the job.
So does big Navi stand for big priced Navi??
:p
So that was 60CUs GPU?
Agree with this. All I want is brillaint performance at 1440p. I have no need for 4k/8k performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by huggi
Hopefully they can match the 3080 with improved power consumption and my new system will be AMD all the way
There's absolutely nothing that would indicate that, so not sure why you'd think that.Quote:
Originally Posted by darcotech
As you mentioned there are some rather large caveats to those numbers, such as unreleased CPU, engineering sample boards, no mention of GPU being used. Also they don't mention which system they ran against the 3080/3090 as a comparison or driver versions etc. I'll wait for the official reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarinder
This might not be AMD's biggest Big Navi.
If I'm not mistaken, some earlier articles said that hw raytracing on AMD's most powerful Big Navi will be coming early next year.
If the GPU in this article here (at Hexus) is coming this year, then the 'biggest navi' has yet to make an appearance.
I'm fine with the performance levels... especially when its trading blows with 3080 and its not too far away from 3090.
It will be interesting to see a full suite of independent third party benchmarks though and features tested.
Either way, this may be a good sign for AMD and better support from devs to use AMD gpus.
Curious that they used 3200 DDR4, doesn't Ryzen like to be at 3600?
I think you're mistaken - I've never heard that before, but show us a link and we can check!Quote:
Originally Posted by deksman2
How are you getting such poor results in Borderlands 3? I get over 70 fps at 4k on a 2080 Ti. Dial down Volumetric Fog and watch your framerate soar.
Anyway, it looks like we might have a price war incoming, which is all to the good. AMD are competing with Nvidia at long last.
What do you get on 'badass' quality settings without dialling anything down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quartz
Why would I want to use benchmark settings? I can get 90fps with my card! That's better than a 3090!Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
If i know what the other player have, and i have a good hand, i am not going to play my biggest card first.
PS: I do not play poker. :mrgreen:
If AMD have done that, for the next few weeks fans of the other side will have a field day, and then on OCT 28 or when reviews come out and they have a big card ( no matter its price ), they could shut those up, and that would be worth millions saved on commercials.
IMO a good product will always sell itself better than any amount you can pay google to sell your stuff.
BUT ! of course it have to be a good product.
Took delivery of Flight Sim 2020, today. Now to sit back and see who will be getting the budget for the graphics card upgrade.
Don't worry AMD will price it higher than Nvidia,because its 5% faster.
You don't have to use them, but if you choose not to do so then you are not comparing like with like and thus your figures are effectively irrelevant to the ones being discussed.Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundhondaWhy would I want to use benchmark settings? I can get 90fps with my card! That's better than a 3090!Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
I think you missed his exclamation marks, which, in our dour British way of talking, indicate sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowls
AMD has always played on the slower but better value segment imho, if they're now within touching distance on performance, why would they not increase costs, if the bang/buck stays the same, to use the Hexus metrics, then that's not really a bad thing no?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
That's what no-one is certain about. 6900XT should be 80CUsQuote:
Originally Posted by darcotech
it is for consumers. But Nvidia showed people are willing to pay obscene amounts so others will naturally follow suit. Crazy IMO but we are where we are. AMD after all are a business not a charity, and we have for years been saying imagine what they could do if they had more resources. Well you don't get those by giving it all away for free. Sucks for us end consumers though. prices are just becoming crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig
I think I want to wait for :-Quote:
Originally Posted by HEXUS
- results of independent reviews and tests, and
- pricing, and
- availability, after the early-adopter rush slows down
.... before I start thinking about it at all. It's too soon to tell, and this stuff is currently all about marketing battles.
Nope. Big Navi is like Big Pharma but in the world of maps and GPSes... which in the UK is the Ordnance Survey, Google Maps, TomTom and Garmin. Not sure what that's got to do with GPUs, although they do keep talking about 'roadmaps' in their lead-up to product releases.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
However, my mate says Big Navi is also the fat Indian guy who runs the convenience shop down the road.
you been drinking in the lunchbreak or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
I have, strange coincidence tho, the fat Indian bloke who owns our local chippy is called Big Navi.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ik9000
what was i expecting?? : lower price mainly:D
doesn't matter much I'm looking for sub £200 cards
I don't drink.Quote:
Originally Posted by ik9000
Why do you ask?
Considering the irrelevant post wasn't it obvious? Why start talking about maps in an AMD GPU thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
Navi... navigation.... word play.Quote:
Originally Posted by ik9000
Update your humour module firmware and download the latest drivers.
oh sorry that was humour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
http://media.giphy.com/media/fjw8FTSX3RuyA/giphy.gif
No need to apologise. If you don't get the joke, just let it whoosh over your head and stop worrying about it...Quote:
Originally Posted by ik9000
Hoped for something slightly above 3080, but still its a decent result for AMD.
I wonder what's the real and DXR performance.
Even so, if the price is set lover it will be good enough to make Nvidia think twice... hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevDrake