Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 stock levels are non-existent

[tygrus]

Example:
If you can make 1000 units per day then you would expect 4 weeks worth of production at launch time minus a few, say 24'000. Then 7000 units shipped per week after that if you're prepared to run the factory 7 days per week.

What is not clear is how many RTX30 series cards have been shipped & how many are being produced per week. "Out of stock" or "8 week waiting list" are the symptoms not the cause.

[FRISH]

I tried. Scan had site issues, anti ddos measures to clear and to add to that, I forgot my login info so it was removed from my basket when I finally logged in. It does mean that I can wait for AMD and hope their stock will be better, but since the 5800XT looks better than the 5800 for value, I might be inclined to stretch that wallet more. It seems like that $500 "mid range" is going to be a thing of the past if this is the way things are going and people can successful scalper.

[Yoyoyo69]

Trig;304]I don't think the extra 2 weeks was anything to do with trying to build cards, it was all about trying to steal AMD's thunder, and while the cards don't look too bad, it matters not a toss if you cant get hold of them..

So true, just more filthy tactics.

They are unable to provide a card, but rather than have AMD launch a card much superior at half the price, they out out this paper launch.

Now reviews going forward will compare AMD launch cards against the Nvidia paper "launch", making the price performance ratio only seem good or great, instead of unbelievable.

[GrahamC]

AMD's launch will be no different. If I could have bought at this time I would but I will be dammed if I scramble like a loony to give ANY company my money. Just waiting until the new year for a wider selection from which to choose.

[DR]

I personally do not think it's the board partners not wanting to run the factories full tilt at all - they want to sell and move the product. The prices are set by the retailer and I suspect supply vs demand is having a huge play in the fact they are above what we expected them to be. There simply hasn't been huge volume for any AIC for this launch coming in to the UK (fact)

The main reason without doubt is going to be yield - big chip - small process - it would be good to see the facts behind what yield they are achieving per wafer.....

There is also lots of reports of people on forums who have purchased from mutliple etailers and will simply cancel once they get one from one supplier - should ease up some supply.

Huge orders are already in with AMD partners from the etailers and the pricing in to them hasn't even been locked down yet - so will be interesting to see allocation of that.

[[GSV]Trig]

Realistically, and from your elevated position, do you think that we'll see a lot more supply once NVidia can get some space in with TSMC, perhaps NVidia are keeping things in short supply, either waiting for Samsung to hit better yields, or for space to become available elsewhere, at which point we get Ti/Super level cards made on someone else's process and the whole Samsung thing gets brushed under the rug..?

[DR]

Realistically, and from your elevated position, do you think that we'll see a lot more supply once NVidia can get some space in with TSMC, perhaps NVidia are keeping things in short supply, either waiting for Samsung to hit better yields, or for space to become available elsewhere, at which point we get Ti/Super level cards made on someone else's process and the whole Samsung thing gets brushed under the rug..?

The challenge is to pick up production and move it isn't easy - it will take time to spin up - Samsung will need to deliver.

And you are right - the TI/Super will come (some already planned/leaked - but could be binned current manufacturing giving more options) I don't see TSMC being online for several months - they are stacked with Console/AMD/Apple/and every other customer who is pumping volume.

Samsung also need capacity for their own product - it's the perfect storm/mess

[kalniel]

This is the 3070 - while it's hardly a minnow, it's quite a lot smaller than the chips for the 3080/90, and still has disabled CUs. That should all add up to the recipe for good yields.

[DR]

This is the 3070 - while it's hardly a minnow, it's quite a lot smaller than the chips for the 3080/90, and still has disabled CUs. That should all add up to the recipe for good yields.

Shows how bad they must be....

[darcotech]

I got one Asus 3070 Dual for 499CHF (so basically MSRP) just for test.
The stock of about 10 different models (and probably 10-15 each) at a local supplier went in about 15 minutes.

[nacasatu]

OCUK are scalping on the few 3090's they got in stock today, seriously, at least 300 pounds more expensive just because they have stock and nobody else does.
Nvidia should take action against places like that, refuse to ship any more cards to them, that is some disgraceful profiteering by OCUK.

[[GSV]Trig]

A business making profit, driven by customer demand, who would have thought...

[3dcandy]

A business making profit, driven by customer demand, who would have thought...

But it's not like they are driven by customer demand - they are driven by the fact that the yields are pathetic and they can't make enough

[kalniel]

But it's not like they are driven by customer demand - they are driven by the fact that the yields are pathetic and they can't make enough

That's not the shops fault. If anything lack of units means they need to improve the margin per unit in order to stay viable as a retailer.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Samsung historically mostly makes sub 200MM2 SOCs for phones and tablets. The fact that they are now directly making GPUs which are double or triple that is a huge step forward for them. Nvidia have used Samsung for a few years,but mostly sub 200MM2 GPUs such as the GP107. The biggest chips on a Samsung derived process were actually those made by GF on 14NM which was licensed them,ie,Vega(nearly 500MM2) and didn't we see certain problems there too?? If you look at smaller Vega derivatives they are far more efficient.

Edit!!

OTH,Nvidia might be making a long play here. TSMC 7NM looks to be quite contended for,and apparently TSMC 5NM is now having problems. So Nvidia might be looking longer term for a supplier,which will have less contention for volume. All of this only works though if Samsung can start to actually deliver in the next few years on performance and yields.

[nacasatu]

Thing is also, and I've a direct email confirming same from a well known online UK PC parts seller, some (not all I know) of them are holding back near all the cards they do receive, for their own subsidiary selling their own branded gaming PCs.
They told me that directly and said they won't expect to be selling cards direct to consumers until well into January next year.
At least they were upfront and honest about it so I've ticked them off the places I'm trying to buy a card from.

I've seen same on another well known UK site where they've no 30 series in stock for customers but 24+ available to add to their own brand PC's they're selling that you can choose from.

That's crap tbh. It's sellers like that especially, that Nvidia should be pulling up, send them no more stock.