Xbox Series S appears to ship with just 364GB of free storage

[Saracen999]

Granted, you can't, but I never said you could. I still feel they are intentionally avoiding this subject, thereby intentionally misleading.

That might be an interesting thread in it's own right.

Is it intentionally misleading if you simply keep quiet and don't actively prevent people from reaching an incorrect conclusion?

Is it lying if you tell the exact truth in a way that people don't believe you?

And in relation to consumer purchases, why on earth would buyers not be expected to take reasonable care to ask questions before buying. After all, in relation to almost all aspects of buying from a non-trader (except, for example, safety-critical aspects of buying a car) the golden rule is "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware. As my old consumer law lecturer rather eloquently put it, when buying a horse, walk around it and check there's a leg on each corner.

Standards are a bit more onerous for a trade seller, but really only amount to Sale of Goods Act (now Consumer Rights laws) of as described, satisfactory quality, etc). Sellers aren't responsible for evaluating the various options for buyers and determining which suits them best, not least because they don't know what priorities the buyer has.

Buyers should accept some responsibility for checking out that what they're buying is the best option for them, not expecting sellers to read their minds and do it for them.

Manufacturers should be expected to provide accurate info and spec's, but not to read between the lines as to what more you get if you buy a more expensive model.

For example, when buying a car I always avoid manufacturers sound systems and go for the very minimum available because I'm willing (and do) then spend several grand putting in my choice of after-market system.

[Saracen999]

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I think a large proportion of Xbox Series owners will just be getting game pass anyway. I only picked up a One S about a year ago to try game pass and found it ticked a lot of my boxes. I know you and others will hate the idea of not owning a game but for me being able to try a wide verity of games and not feel guilty when I got bored after an hour is a real boon. I've played a lot of very new games, including lots I'd have never have bought (Ikenfell is a recent example) and I've almost been able to get game pass for free earning Microsoft points. (You can earn them doing bing searches and launching certain game pass games - Its about 10 minutes a day to pick most of them up when I'd be twiddling my thumbs anyway). It actually reduced my games outlay as I use to spend £15+ just on a few games and then not enjoy half of them!

Well, you're right about me (and I suspect about a lot of others) not liking the principle of Gamepass but I'm sure a lot of others, in common with you, find it ideal.

If, like me, you get value from enjoying old games from the past, regularly, it doesn't suit. If, perhaps like you, you move on the constantly arriving new stuff, it does suit. I'm currently replaying the Thief series, however many years after First playing it that is.

Of course, in order to have a choice of several hundred old games, I shudder to think what I've spent on games since buying my first (a WW2 strategy game, Tigers in the Snow) and then the original Wizardry, etc) in the late 70's and early 80's, but if I hadn't I could probably buy a small Pacific island to retire to.

It might also surprise you that I'm currently doing something I swore I never would, which is subscribing to Amazon Music Unlimited .... on an Echo, no less. Even old dogs sometimes learn new tricks.

But fundamentally, of course, you're right, and Gamepass isn't for me. I wouldn't use it enough. But I might have if it had been available 40years ago. I used to be an avid game player but these days, I don't spend anywhere near as much time gaming and sometimes, go weeks or even months without touching one. Then the bug gets me again.

But I certainly get why, though not for me, Gamepass definitely does suit lots of people.

[bowepa]

It's cheap to expand the storage buy buying 1TB drive now .

[gagaga]

Bought the wife an S. She only ever plays 2-3 games at once so it's fine. Crazy fast load times (even faster than the X due to smaller textures) and the fast loading also works on many older titles too. It's a great machine. Doesn't take long to drop a game and redownload another. She loves it.