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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    What I find weird was the rant against Airbus,when they ignored Boeing getting fined billions of USD too,for similar reasons,the decades of public contracts used to prop up companies like Boeing or the fact the same subsidy crap was tried against Canadian Bombardier at the behest of Boeing. That is because the C-series(now Airbus A220),was a better design.

    Nothing to do with the fact Boeing instead of going with clean sheet designs(unlike its competitors),just kept putting lipstick on a 737 shaped pig,and didn't even do a good job about it. Or that even the KC46 tanker is a disaster despite being based on the old 767. The V22 Osprey,etc. For decades Boeing has essentially relied on massive subsidies,via preferential allocation of government contracts(probably worth $100s of billion) even though objectively they seem to just keep screwing up all the time.

    The UK was a founding member of Airbus together with France and Germany in 1970 - so Airbus has zero to do with the EU,as it predated even the UK entering the EEC.

    Airbus and Bombardier employ 17000 people directly with many jobs in Wales and NI,and 1000s of more people are employed in British companies which supply them,and yet they seem to be fanboying for US aerospace companies which employ a fraction of that number of people in the UK. Many of our aerospace jobs in the UK are very integrated to European programs,and that was even before the EU even existed! Think of Concorde,Jaguar,etc which were co-developed with the French.

    Many of those programmes relied on state support - RR and BAe wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for state support.

    For example Germany ordered 38 Eurofighters to partially replace its Tornado IDS,and it meant £1.4 billion of work over here:
    https://www.pesmedia.com/bae-systems...orce-12112020/

    The Eurofighter prototype was developed by BAe as the EAP.

    Even our next generation Tempest fighter will have Sweden and Italy onboard,together with numerous French and German companies too. A number of those companies have links with Airbus too(MBDA),and Airbus is also involved with the French-German fighter program too.

    If anything,the US government is trying its hardest to push the UK out of Japan's future stealth fighter program:
    https://www.ft.com/content/a024eeec-...f-cc63de1d73f4
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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    I suppose it's too much to hope for that a few posts in here might actually be about the National Cyber Force? Though I did like the "neon coloured" bit.

    Maybe a mod could rename this thread "Another pointless pro- v. anti- Brexit thread" and start the NCF one again (with Ttask's neon crack included in it), just in case anyone is actually interested in the real thread subject.
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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    I just thought it was funny that every release seems to mention international law now when I don't remember ever seeing that in the past. Didn't mean to upset anyone

    There's not loads to say about the new department because its a bit secretive by nature. GCHQ seems to be overburdened and overlapping with MoD responsibilities. If anyone wanted to hear about what these kinds of groups might get up to I would recommend a listen to the dark net diaries podcast (ep 10 is fairly well related). Some interesting stories from this world with a narrative.

    Looking forward to see if anyone from this department pop up on linkedIn
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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    1. The order for this "National Cyber Force (NCF)" was given by CIA.
    2. Its primary goal would be spying on us without any law restrictions.

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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    Quote Originally Posted by 567 View Post
    International law doesn’t actually exist. Its actually international treaties between Countries which can be changed at any time due to domestic laws are supreme to international treaties mentioned by the UK Supreme Court with Gina Miller case regarding Parliament, German Constitutional Court is supreme to EU treaties (laws) and even the EU have said their “laws” are supreme to the UN Charter. The EU has the largest tariffs (fine) in history ($5 billion) placed on them by the WTO in regarding with unfair advantage to Airbus with subsidies against USA aircraft manufacturers. Therefore the EU is not the ones to point fingers of blame in relation to breaking international treaties. The UK Government is protecting the people of Northern Ireland (UK) by using the internal market bill to send food to them because the EU has refused to add the UK to the third Country list meaning a ban of goods being imported into the EU from UK. This is because in the event of no free trade agreement according to the withdrawal agreement Northern Ireland remains in the EU single market and customs union against their consent to appease the protectionist block of the EU and Republic of Ireland. Maybe you should read more instead of silly comments about things you know nothing about.
    Looks like the 77th battalion/GCHQ are on here too...Protecting Britain from 'terrorists'
    Twas only a matter of time i suppose - since they are already embedded in all the major UK news outlets.

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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    Quote Originally Posted by 567 View Post
    International law doesn’t actually exist. Its actually international treaties between Countries which can be changed at any time due to domestic laws are supreme to international treaties mentioned by the UK Supreme Court with Gina Miller case regarding Parliament, German Constitutional Court is supreme to EU treaties (laws) and even the EU have said their “laws” are supreme to the UN Charter. The EU has the largest tariffs (fine) in history ($5 billion) placed on them by the WTO in regarding with unfair advantage to Airbus with subsidies against USA aircraft manufacturers. Therefore the EU is not the ones to point fingers of blame in relation to breaking international treaties. The UK Government is protecting the people of Northern Ireland (UK) by using the internal market bill to send food to them because the EU has refused to add the UK to the third Country list meaning a ban of goods being imported into the EU from UK. This is because in the event of no free trade agreement according to the withdrawal agreement Northern Ireland remains in the EU single market and customs union against their consent to appease the protectionist block of the EU and Republic of Ireland. Maybe you should read more instead of silly comments about things you know nothing about.
    You would've thought that the Brexiteers would've actually read and had some basic comprehension of the Withdrawal Agreement, before trying to tear it up. Not only have they shot themselves in the foot regarding the EU. They are about to shoot themselves in the head, regarding the US and the Good Friday Agreement. This will not end well for us poor plebs.

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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    After reading Atemporal's post...
    Quote Originally Posted by atemporal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    To me, "The National Cyber Force" just sounds like a naff 80s kids TV action show, with people in neon colours adopting power poses during the title sequence!!
    when I was young and the internet was in its infancy virtually the only time you heard the word 'cyber' was in those old chat rooms where "wanna cyber" was the frequent request after a bit of small talk. I got images of that, but now adorned with Tron-like neon courtesy of your comment too.

    This poster seems really inappropriate...

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    Is this the new goverment agency that's going to be staffed by the jobless ballet dancers then?


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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus404 View Post
    After reading Atemporal's post...



    This poster seems really inappropriate...
    Absolutely.

    I can only assume that they wanted to sound 'cool' by shortening "cybersecurity" (or perhaps with a space or hyphen) and thinking everyone would equate it to that, seemingly not realising that another meaning had already taken its place many years ago.

    There's a classic bash.org quote that trolls an attempt at the pre-existing meaning after all.

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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    Quote Originally Posted by Output View Post
    I can only assume that they wanted to sound 'cool' by shortening "cybersecurity" (or perhaps with a space or hyphen) and thinking everyone would equate it to that, seemingly not realising that another meaning had already taken its place many years ago.
    Yeah, OK Boomer...

    That meaning has come and gone. Only old people remember the original inferrence of 'cyber', now. Those who are still young enough to be relevant just use webcams, nowadays!
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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Yeah, OK Boomer...

    That meaning has come and gone. Only old people remember the original inferrence of 'cyber', now. Those who are still young enough to be relevant just use webcams, nowadays!
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    Re: UK government describes role of the National Cyber Force (NCF)

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus404 View Post
    After reading Atemporal's post...



    This poster seems really inappropriate...
    well apparently the adult online world is one of the industries where profits have risen during lockdown. So maybe the decision makers aren't talking to the advertisers or some wires got crossed somewhere. I did wonder how quickly someone could suddenly retrain as a cyber specialist if that meant IT. Presumably a degree and a lot of learning needed if you're coming from a ballet background. Now if you're a flexible dancer and going into the other kind however...

    (I'm not endorsing that as a career move, just before the hate starts)

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