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    Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    One SSD maker's component swap resulted in 41 per cent slower copy speeds.
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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    That's very disappointing, I have 3 of the drives as originally when they came out and the non pro version before it they represented excellent value for the performance.

    Only just got the last of them 2 weeks ago and thought it strange that it reported a different drive size to the others when formatted, so something had changed between the models.

    Guess I will need to do some performance tests to see if it is not as expected and send it back.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    My initial reaction to that is that it's tantamount to fraud, if not legally quite there.

    My second thought is that, if allowed to get away with it, it renders product reviews utterly pointless.

    Most major review sites (and I'm talking pre-internet) used to require products to be sold as tested, or at least as well as tested, for a minimum period as a condition of submitting for testing. I wonder what happened to that?

    My third thought is that it's a good reason to only buy from companies that have sufficient to lose from underhand tactics that they wouldn't risk the reputational damage in case they got caught. But ... who?
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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    Guess I will need to do some performance tests to see if it is not as expected and send it back.
    According to the original Tom's Hardware article, not only was the newer Pro version provided by ADATA different from the original Pro version, but the one they bought themselves was different from both of those too.
    Last edited by Output; 03-12-2020 at 12:37 PM. Reason: Clarified to state I am referring to the Pro versions as stated in the original Tom's Hardware article.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Adata seems to be a brand to avoid then. Bait and switch alive and well.

    Is there a utility available that can identify which controller and NAND is being used on any particular drive?

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Excellent work - Adata,Kingston and Sabrent have all done this before.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    I got the 1Tb variant of the 8200 Pro (in August 2019), it's been a great drive, but this will make me avoid Adata products in the future. I was coming from a 2.5" SSD so it felt fast regardless, I never tested it.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    I guess my fanboyism for Samsung SSDs let me dodge a bullet there...

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Great investigation, we need more tech journalism like this.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    I knew about the controller swap out, which is why I avoided Adata drives for recent upgrade. The rest is news to me but unsurprising.

    Iirc, they were also pretty shady about disclosing which of their drives were DRAMless models.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    I have the cheaper sx6000 and really liked it. Was tempted with adata again but this really puts me off. It might not technically be illegal if it still hits specs but its certainly dishonest. This sort of thing really should be published as I don't want to reward this sort of behaviour with a purchase. Thanks for bring it to everyone's attention.
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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    I have the cheaper sx6000 and really liked it. Was tempted with adata again but this really puts me off. It might not technically be illegal if it still hits specs but its certainly dishonest. This sort of thing really should be published as I don't want to reward this sort of behaviour with a purchase. Thanks for bring it to everyone's attention.
    There have been some good deals on the Western Digital/Sandisk drives(same company) and they tend to make their own NAND,and increasingly their own controllers.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Quote Originally Posted by huggi View Post
    I guess my fanboyism for Samsung SSDs let me dodge a bullet there...
    Similar with Crucial, for me. Who haven't been accused, in the article.

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Quote Originally Posted by huggi View Post
    I guess my fanboyism for Samsung SSDs let me dodge a bullet there...
    Yes, but whatever happened to those first guinea pigs for TCL who bought the 840 and 840 EVO?

    At least for the 840 EVO Samsung acknowledge a problem and a fix - although I always wondered what the fix did to endurance - but for the non-EVO nothing was ever acknowledged.
    However, some people on this story report their non-EVO was also affected:
    https://www.extremetech.com/computin...ped-by-samsung

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    My initial reaction to that is that it's tantamount to fraud, if not legally quite there.
    Their asses are covered by that pesky little "up to" phrase.

    I keep saying we need to stop accepting that bullrubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish and force companies to give complete spec sheets of their products, with component names.

    How many times have you searched for info about a laptop and found 0 information on whatever the rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish's inside it?

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    Re: Investigation uncovers SSD maker bait and switch practices

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtycopgangsta View Post
    Their asses are covered by that pesky little "up to" phrase.

    I keep saying we need to stop accepting that bullrubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish and force companies to give complete spec sheets of their products, with component names.

    How many times have you searched for info about a laptop and found 0 information on whatever the rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish's inside it?
    Exactly. If, and I stress if the 'bait and switch' is done deliberately then yeah, iy might be legal but it's sure deceitful.

    it's not unknown (historically at least) for PC builders to do something similar, such as switching brand of hard drive, but often not for 'gouging' reasons. It's more that when a model line comes out, brand X are available, but 3 or 6 months later, theyaren't available or have gone up, so brand Y gets used instead. Provided there isn't a significant drop in performance as a result, and that they didn't promise brand X in the first place, fair enough. it's very different from bait-n-switch tactics, which are disgraceful.

    I agree with comments about sticking to Crucial and Samsung, and similar. I wouldn't personally guarantee it can't happen there but it would surprise me, and at least I think it minimises the chances of getting caught that way. I only have Crucial and Samsung SSDs, and 'reputation', in the general sense, is largely why, even though I knew I was paying a premium. Going 'cheap' can result in getting excellent value. Probably often does. But it's a bit more of a gamble.

    I guess the same is true everywhere. But a £200 "cheap" washing machine and it might last years, but might not. Buy a £1000 Miele and you'll be very unlucky if it doesn't .... and it might still be under maker's guarantee anyway. We all pays our money and takes our choice (if you can afford a grand, or more, for a washing machine).


    PS. Before someone tells me, yes, the washing machine example is simplistic, quite a few other brands are £1000, and some Miele are a LOT more than that.
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