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    Qualcomm snaps up Nuvia in $1.4bn deal

    Expect to see Nuvia high-performance tech folded into Snapdragon designs in due course.
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    Re: Qualcomm snaps up Nuvia in $1.4bn deal

    So basically Qualcomm needed a 'quick fix' for their inferior Arm performance now the M1 is out and bought a 'better' core design to try and catch up...

    As much as I'm no fan of Apple you have to thank them for getting the only other real Arm competitor (yes there are Samsung etc but most use Qualcomm) to get off their behinds and improve their offerings...

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    Re: Qualcomm snaps up Nuvia in $1.4bn deal

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    So basically Qualcomm needed a 'quick fix' for their inferior Arm performance now the M1 is out and bought a 'better' core design to try and catch up...

    As much as I'm no fan of Apple you have to thank them for getting the only other real Arm competitor (yes there are Samsung etc but most use Qualcomm) to get off their behinds and improve their offerings...
    Apple, Qualcomm and Samsung mobile chips are all Arm chips, not Arm competitors. Or I guess you mean competitors of arm-based chips.

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    Re: Qualcomm snaps up Nuvia in $1.4bn deal

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    So basically Qualcomm needed a 'quick fix' for their inferior Arm performance now the M1 is out and bought a 'better' core design to try and catch up...

    As much as I'm no fan of Apple you have to thank them for getting the only other real Arm competitor (yes there are Samsung etc but most use Qualcomm) to get off their behinds and improve their offerings...
    Erm Apple leveraged quite a lot of silicon to get the M1 to perform as well as it does. They have dedicated die space to accelerate emulation of x86 for example and have made great use of that. The actual cores are decent if not fantastic and about the same as X1 cores from ARM (Samsung Exynos 2100 uses one of those for example)
    What Apple DO have is 5nm, total vertical integration so can control the whole thing well, and a small amount of products. Then throw in ram integrated closely and you can see how they manage it. The actual cores are just one small part of how the M1 is a capable chip
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    Re: Qualcomm snaps up Nuvia in $1.4bn deal

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Apple, Qualcomm and Samsung mobile chips are all Arm chips, not Arm competitors. Or I guess you mean competitors of arm-based chips.
    Last time I checked Apple has a slightly different license to the others due to being part of the original group who designed ARM originally so while they are all 'arm' Apple does have some slightly different options available... having said that, if they are all using the same 'arm' processors, ignoring 5nm, why are the others so bad performance wise, they all had the same freedom in how they designed the chip etc.... just look at the m1 versus qualcomm on windows for arm and that's not even optimised for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Erm Apple leveraged quite a lot of silicon to get the M1 to perform as well as it does. They have dedicated die space to accelerate emulation of x86 for example and have made great use of that. The actual cores are decent if not fantastic and about the same as X1 cores from ARM (Samsung Exynos 2100 uses one of those for example)
    What Apple DO have is 5nm, total vertical integration so can control the whole thing well, and a small amount of products. Then throw in ram integrated closely and you can see how they manage it. The actual cores are just one small part of how the M1 is a capable chip
    The thing is everything Apple has done with the m1 could have been done by Qualcomm for the 'windows arm cpu', hell I've even suggested 'x86 coprocessors' in another thread so if someone who isn't a 'processor engineer' can come up with the 'idea' why can't a multi billion dollar company with specialist engineers do the same. Yes the total control over everything (along with unix and the ability to just ditch legacy code) will be a bonus for Apple but when an unoptimised windows on arm can run faster via emulation then on dedicated hardware it's pretty clear that qualcomm could have done a LOT better than they have, which in turn screws over Microsoft's efforts at embracing ARM.

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