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    Snapdragon SC8280 might be Qualcomm's next PC chip

    Will it be powerful enough to catch up with the Apple M1?
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    Re: Snapdragon SC8280 might be Qualcomm's next PC chip

    There's no reason a company like Qualcomm with its expertise in the sector and resources shouldn't be able to compete with Apples M1 but every reason to suspect they won't be able to due to years of lack of decent competition. Basically an Intel/AMD situation repeated in mobile SoCs.

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    Re: Snapdragon SC8280 might be Qualcomm's next PC chip

    Well there is competition - they are competing with the x86 chips. As for Apple you gotta remember that chip has 16 billion transistors built on a cutting edge 5nm process. That's about 3 times the number of transistors in a snapdragon 845 which was also built at 10nm. If you give Qualcomm the apple m1 transistor count and 5nm process they'd probably give it a run for it's money. For reference I think an AMD 5600X is 19 billion transistors on a 7nm process.

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    Re: Snapdragon SC8280 might be Qualcomm's next PC chip

    Quote Originally Posted by Dribble View Post
    Well there is competition - they are competing with the x86 chips. As for Apple you gotta remember that chip has 16 billion transistors built on a cutting edge 5nm process. That's about 3 times the number of transistors in a snapdragon 845 which was also built at 10nm. If you give Qualcomm the apple m1 transistor count and 5nm process they'd probably give it a run for it's money. For reference I think an AMD 5600X is 19 billion transistors on a 7nm process.
    I actually don't think there's competition with x86 in that sense. I suspect we are going to see what has been going on since the late 1990s where general computing in a mobile form factor has been run on something super efficient but not particularly useful for anything outside simple tasks. Psion and Jornada 720 are excellent examples of this, the latter I think used a 200MHz ARM processor on a modified Windows CE OS. Now these systems are coming into their own with the advent of truly mobile working and internet access. I'd say there's now a market and available supporting technology to make this concept work properly and worth developing properly. It'll take a chunk of x86 sales, defintely, but I don't think there's competition so much as two different use cases.

    If I want a macbook air, I'd not even consider x86 CPUs if there's a choice and mobility and light use is the aim. Mine has an i5. It's pointless and takes too much power for what it does (basically what my phone does with a screen and keyboard). But I can run a VM if needed. So I suspect it's going to be a use case division rather than competition.

    I'm kind of thinking Intel might go down the hyper mobile route and AMD might go along the silly performance route. The former has a much bigger market share. If Intel decides to use ARM IP, I'd find that hilarious. AMD will be getting in on it by licencing GPU tech to Samsung for use on their mobile SoCs.

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    Re: Snapdragon SC8280 might be Qualcomm's next PC chip

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dribble View Post
    Well there is competition - they are competing with the x86 chips. As for Apple you gotta remember that chip has 16 billion transistors built on a cutting edge 5nm process. That's about 3 times the number of transistors in a snapdragon 845 which was also built at 10nm. If you give Qualcomm the apple m1 transistor count and 5nm process they'd probably give it a run for it's money. For reference I think an AMD 5600X is 19 billion transistors on a 7nm process.
    I actually don't think there's competition with x86 in that sense. I suspect we are going to see what has been going on since the late 1990s where general computing in a mobile form factor has been run on something super efficient but not particularly useful for anything outside simple tasks. Psion and Jornada 720 are excellent examples of this, the latter I think used a 200MHz ARM processor on a modified Windows CE OS. Now these systems are coming into their own with the advent of truly mobile working and internet access. I'd say there's now a market and available supporting technology to make this concept work properly and worth developing properly. It'll take a chunk of x86 sales, defintely, but I don't think there's competition so much as two different use cases.

    If I want a macbook air, I'd not even consider x86 CPUs if there's a choice and mobility and light use is the aim. Mine has an i5. It's pointless and takes too much power for what it does (basically what my phone does with a screen and keyboard). But I can run a VM if needed. So I suspect it's going to be a use case division rather than competition.

    I'm kind of thinking Intel might go down the hyper mobile route and AMD might go along the silly performance route. The former has a much bigger market share. If Intel decides to use ARM IP, I'd find that hilarious. AMD will be getting in on it by licencing GPU tech to Samsung for use on their mobile SoCs.
    I agree a bit... I've had this debate with many people. The M1 isn't an astounding chip, it's a really decent chip. It uses a lot of transistors and has a large die area to accelerate x86 emulation and also does ye olde tied into dram for better performance trick that was really brought to the masses with ARM and the original Raspberry Pi. As said above IF Qualcomm threw billions of transistors at a chip they'd be able to match or surpass the M1 but Apple has a huge advantage with being so vertically integrated. I'm not sure Win 10, for example, would run as well because it won't be as integrated. Nor the rest of the hardware
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    Re: Snapdragon SC8280 might be Qualcomm's next PC chip

    In short no SC8280 wont match the M1 but later designs probably will.

    Thats the reason Qualcomm bought Nuvia because it was founded by Apple engineers responsible for many of the core features of Apple's Arm designs.

    Apple must not have been able to patent these features so when Qualcomm could not match the M1 they bought Nuvia to close the gap.

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    Re: Snapdragon SC8280 might be Qualcomm's next PC chip

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato-2 View Post
    In short no SC8280 wont match the M1 but later designs probably will.

    Thats the reason Qualcomm bought Nuvia because it was founded by Apple engineers responsible for many of the core features of Apple's Arm designs.

    Apple must not have been able to patent these features so when Qualcomm could not match the M1 they bought Nuvia to close the gap.
    Nuvia isn't anything like the same kind of chip design though. It's an enterprise design!
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