Intel Alder Lake mobile CPU with 14 cores spotted

[watercooled]

But this is why/where and how Windows is lagging behind. I'm not worried about it per se but I agree it means a total shift in how the scheduler will work. I'm sure we can all remember the scheduler issues when Ryzen first came out and this is another of those things. Intel *seem* to be trying to do something that isn't on the surface required or even asked for. If now is ever the time that Linux laptops should start to become appealing I can't when they will ever get that chance. I was out of Linux tweaking for a few years but have built myself a Xubuntu server for livestreaming. If I didn't need some Windows software I'd be very tempted to go all Linux right now

This is very different to normal CPU scheduling. See: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/statu...80972552560642 for more discussion on the matter.

[3dcandy]

This is very different to normal CPU scheduling. See: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/statu...80972552560642 for more discussion on the matter.

Of course it. So I'll say it again, why is Intel going down this route unless they are keeping the instructions the same and just making lower powered cores? Unless they aren't interested in Windows based systems with this chip or it's just a knee jerk reply to Apple, both of which seem desperate in the least

[watercooled]

That's what I'm wondering too. It seems like a lot of complexity for what could be fairly limited payoff. There must be *some* incentive for them to do it, and perhaps it appearing on desktop is just incidental if it shares silicon with e.g. mobile. I don't expect the small cores would use much space on the die.

I'm not sure what they'd be targeting if not Windows though. About all I can think of is ChromeOS in the consumer space? Unless I'm overlooking something.

And I don't see it as any sort of knee-jerk; firstly the timescale building to this if you also factor in Lakefield - this has been in development for a long time (hence why knee-jerk in general is pretty unlikely in general the CPU sector, given development time spanning years). Second, what would they gain from it? If you mean in terms of Apple contracts, that ship has sailed.

[lumireleon]

".....If you mean in terms of Apple contracts, that ship has sailed." But wouldn't be nice if you see a comparable M1 in X86 format powering the likes of Spectre or Legion?

[3dcandy]

That's what I'm wondering too. It seems like a lot of complexity for what could be fairly limited payoff. There must be *some* incentive for them to do it, and perhaps it appearing on desktop is just incidental if it shares silicon with e.g. mobile. I don't expect the small cores would use much space on the die.

I'm not sure what they'd be targeting if not Windows though. About all I can think of is ChromeOS in the consumer space? Unless I'm overlooking something.

And I don't see it as any sort of knee-jerk; firstly the timescale building to this if you also factor in Lakefield - this has been in development for a long time (hence why knee-jerk in general is pretty unlikely in general the CPU sector, given development time spanning years). Second, what would they gain from it? If you mean in terms of Apple contracts, that ship has sailed.

When I say knee jerk I'm thinking back when Apple said " if you can't supply us with a decent low power cpu we're gonna make our own"

[3dcandy]

".....If you mean in terms of Apple contracts, that ship has sailed." But wouldn't be nice if you see a comparable M1 in X86 format powering the likes of Spectre or Legion?

Erm how? Part of the issue with X86 is that it doesn't lend itself to low power. AMD have some great 15w chips when the M1 is 18-20w depending on who you ask. There are plenty, and I mean plenty of SBC's with decent chipsets on them - but ARM Windows was so pants there is no point. This is the issue. Heck get a Raspberry Pi400 - it comes with everything for £100 including an ok mouse and keyboard. There are SBC's around that run X86 with nvme drive adaptors but when the performance isn't as good as a laptop at say £300 what's the point. People just want something, turn it on and it work. If someone could get a half decent laptop with a decent ARM based chip in it and a falvour of Linux.... oh wait that's exactly what Apple have done

[Blue000]

Hmm, question is how will AMD respond?

[ik9000]

Hmm, question is how will AMD respond?

I imagine like this:


They have the superior product and can kind of just point to what they're already providing and say more true cores, and better.

[watercooled]

Well it seems the question about ISA incompatibility between the cores has been answered. AVX-512 gets disabled: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16881...rchitectures/5