GeForce RTX 3080 Ti to continue Nvidia's mining limiter strategy

[HEXUS]

Multiple sources point to ETH throttling tech in all future GeForce RTX 30 graphics cards.

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[kalniel]

I think Nvidia already announced it would apply to future cards, so not much of a revelation there. However, new Ti cards all based on GA102 and with only 12GB VRAM is interesting, if very disappointing.

[philehidiot]

Part of me suspects this will become a hardware feature in the next generation or two.

[kompukare]

Part of me suspects this will become a hardware feature in the next generation or two.

Problem is, how can you differentiate ETH hashing from any other gCompute feature like F@H etc.?
Or even some future complex shader program in a game?
I'm sure Nvidia would love for anyone who needs compute to buy a more expensive card, whereas even if CUDA is crippled to half-rate people teaching themselves about it should still be able to run their stuff, albeit slowly.

[[GSV]Trig]

While I understand WHY they are doing this, I disagree with it entirely, if you buy a card you should be able to do what you want with it..

The bit I'm more interested in, is will these new cards come in FE models or will they all be AIB, chances are by the time I can actually get a 3080FE the Ti might be out which could be a tastier option..

[3dcandy]

Part of me suspects this will become a hardware feature in the next generation or two.

Problem is, how can you differentiate ETH hashing from any other gCompute feature like F@H etc.?
Or even some future complex shader program in a game?
I'm sure Nvidia would love for anyone who needs compute to buy a more expensive card, whereas even if CUDA is crippled to half-rate people teaching themselves about it should still be able to run their stuff, albeit slowly.

ETH is easy to detect - the algorithm used needs at least 4gb for starters to run well which is why it's used on gpu's rather than asics. Unless they rewrite ETH it's pretty much slam dunk for miners - and they have a card for miners if you want to mine...

[badass]

While I understand WHY they are doing this, I disagree with it entirely, if you buy a card you should be able to do what you want with it..

You can do what you want with it. You just need to write your own signed BIOS and modify the drivers if you want full rate ETH hashing. It's no different than games having paid DLC or operating systems limiting their hardware support.

[Tabbykatze]

You can do what you want with it. You just need to write your own signed BIOS and modify the drivers if you want full rate ETH hashing. It's no different than games having paid DLC or operating systems limiting their hardware support.

Sure, because that's simple and easy

[Corky34]

Problem is, how can you differentiate ETH hashing from any other gCompute feature like F@H etc.?
Or even some future complex shader program in a game?
I'm sure Nvidia would love for anyone who needs compute to buy a more expensive card, whereas even if CUDA is crippled to half-rate people teaching themselves about it should still be able to run their stuff, albeit slowly.

From a video i watched it seems to reduce hash rates over time so short stints probably wouldn't be effected to much, IDK how something like F@H would be effected as IDK how different that is from crypto mining.

EDIT: Found it, it was an article on VideoCardz.com.

[philehidiot]

You can do what you want with it. You just need to write your own signed BIOS and modify the drivers if you want full rate ETH hashing. It's no different than games having paid DLC or operating systems limiting their hardware support.

Just don't use any of Nvidia's firmware or software as the EULA is quite strict about using consumer grade cards in a "data centre". That last term was not defined last I checked and so you have to wonder if a small business which works with fluid dynamics has a room, in a house, with server rack, cooling and multiple GPUs and storage systems - is it possible Nvidia with a grudge could call that a data centre?

[Friesiansam]

Whatever, it still won't be possible to buy one for anywhere near msrp, once they all get hoovered up by the scalpers.

[Kato-2]

Trig;304]While I understand WHY they are doing this, I disagree with it entirely, if you buy a card you should be able to do what you want with it..

The bit I'm more interested in, is will these new cards come in FE models or will they all be AIB, chances are by the time I can actually get a 3080FE the Ti might be out which could be a tastier option..

The problem will be solved in time through more manufacturing capacity as we are currently in the midst of a semi conductor shortage due to a range of issues.

This is why a number of powers are attempting to craft long terms plans for semiconductor fabrication facilities closer to home, as TSMC has over 50% of the worlds entire production.

[DanceswithUnix]

The problem will be solved in time through more manufacturing capacity as we are currently in the midst of a semi conductor shortage due to a range of issues.

As long as miners believe the cards are worth more in a rig than the purchase cost, there is an infinite market at stupidly high price. No amount of manufacturing capacity can outrun that.

The mindset seems to be "If I pay another $100 I just have to mine another month to get my money back" with a certainty that they will get their money back.

Also, after the last crash where Nvidia and AMD had cards on their hands that took ages to shift there probably isn't any real appetite to feed the miners again.

[QuorTek]

Thank you, we can then end up getting more affordable prices as well, I do get why the miners want these popular cards though from both Green and Red team, because of the easy sell value in general, if need to get out or cut losses.

[AC81]

Also, after the last crash where Nvidia and AMD had cards on their hands that took ages to shift there probably isn't any real appetite to feed the miners again.

Nvidia alone shipped over $175 Million RTX cards straight to miners when they launched.
AMD and Nvidia have both been selling straight to miners. They're in the business of making money.
Given the countless things to mine aswell. Restricting just Etherium isn't going ot change much.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-allegedl...pus-to-miners/

[LSG501]

Sorry but 12GB memory is just pathetic on the high end of gpu's which may be used for more than just gaming.... now I understand not doing the full 24 of the 3090 but 12GB is hardly an upgrade over the 3080 (lets be honest the 3080 SHOULD have had 16GB), made even worse with AMD doing 16 min on the high end.