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    Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Says its >20X faster than the Haswell 'Crystal Well' Iris Pro 5200 iGPU. That's RTX 3070 territory.
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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    No doubt that 20x faster is in very specific tests, until it's actually out in the wild then any figures can be taken with an appropriate amount of salt..

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Moore's Law: A roughly doubling of transistor count every 2 years, and an approximate equivalent performance increase assuming programming models allow.

    2021 - 2012 = 9 years, or 4.5 doublings.

    2^4.5 = 22.6

    22.6 > 20

    The monster-math works out. But that means it's only "kept up", so its relative strength compared to Nvidia and AMD's latest will be... about the same as the gap back in Haswell times?
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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    I'm stuck in silicon prison and 14nm keeps dragging on?
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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    I'm stuck in silicon prison and 14nm keeps dragging on?
    Was there not some testing done that proves that the nm isn't really comparable between Intel and AMD etc due to how things vary..?

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Was there not some testing done that proves that the nm isn't really comparable between Intel and AMD etc due to how things vary..?
    Yes and no. The Intel fanboys overstate it. There are some measurements that show similarities of Intel 10nm and amd 7nm in terms of transistor size, but the gate density is different etc. It gets distorted into Intel isn't that far behind when you use a microscope, well sorry but that's only looking at part of the picture. The performance stats speak for themselves.

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Was there not some testing done that proves that the nm isn't really comparable between Intel and AMD etc due to how things vary..?
    Was meant to be a very bad Johnny Cash gag :O
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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Moore's Law: A roughly doubling of transistor count every 2 years, and an approximate equivalent performance increase assuming programming models allow.

    2021 - 2012 = 9 years, or 4.5 doublings.

    2^4.5 = 22.6

    22.6 > 20

    The monster-math works out. But that means it's only "kept up", so its relative strength compared to Nvidia and AMD's latest will be... about the same as the gap back in Haswell times?
    This tbh. In benchmarks my rtx3070 is roughly 10x faster than my old gtx46SO (which hit gtx470 levels in tests ), average 26% per year over the last decade. I will struggle to believe 20* faster claims without tangible independent proof

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    Was meant to be a very bad Johnny Cash gag :O
    No, but now you have to tell me the reference there as I'm not a JC fan...

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Yours for the low price of $1,000,000.

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    If and I say IF this card is comparable to a 3060/3060ti (I'm a bit doubtful in all honesty), there is stock (which is possible with intel) and is priced competitively I can actually see people buying it because the 'xx60' range seems to be one of the more popular price/performance spots.

    Assuming it comes out before the next round of gpu's from nvidia and amd of course.

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    If and I say IF this card is comparable to a 3060/3060ti (I'm a bit doubtful in all honesty), there is stock (which is possible with intel) and is priced competitively I can actually see people buying it because the 'xx60' range seems to be one of the more popular price/performance spots.

    Assuming it comes out before the next round of gpu's from nvidia and amd of course.
    Given intel's stance on no win7 support that will rule it out for me. I need cards that will still support win7 and other OS, not just be tied to win10.

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    No, but now you have to tell me the reference there as I'm not a JC fan...
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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    If and I say IF this card is comparable to a 3060/3060ti (I'm a bit doubtful in all honesty), there is stock (which is possible with intel) and is priced competitively I can actually see people buying it because the 'xx60' range seems to be one of the more popular price/performance spots.

    Assuming it comes out before the next round of gpu's from nvidia and amd of course.
    Personally it could be a cheaper card and I'd still not be interested until I could see what Intel's driver long term support is like. This is why I really like AMD - my aging rx480 still gets driver updates that improve performance. It might be slight but it there. Nvidia aren't as good in this regard but at least they release regular title specific + stability driver updates for years. Having suffered Intel drivers failure to fix bugs after about a year after the product is released I'm just not going to risk it just yet.

    I think my hope is the card is good for crypto and the miners buy it while leaving AMD cards for me
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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Was there not some testing done that proves that the nm isn't really comparable between Intel and AMD etc due to how things vary..?
    Was meant to be a very bad Johnny Cash gag :O
    I got it, excellent work.

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    Re: Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    Personally it could be a cheaper card and I'd still not be interested until I could see what Intel's driver long term support is like. This is why I really like AMD - my aging rx480 still gets driver updates that improve performance. It might be slight but it there. Nvidia aren't as good in this regard but at least they release regular title specific + stability driver updates for years. Having suffered Intel drivers failure to fix bugs after about a year after the product is released I'm just not going to risk it just yet.

    I think my hope is the card is good for crypto and the miners buy it while leaving AMD cards for me
    That's the kicker, Intel seems pretty crud at long term support (long term means lost money), I wouldn't even consider an Intel GPU until either deep into their second iteration or even third (DG1 is not an iteration, that was barely a prototype).

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