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    AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    These Cezanne APUs are going to be initially restricted to OEM only distribution.
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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    So for use with discrete graphics card, they've compared to their own previous version and not an intel cpu.

    For onboard graphics they've compared with the intel cpu and not shown what improvements they've come up with over their own previous gen APU?

    Odd

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    8C/16T @ 3.2GHz, + Vega 8 @ 2Ghz, in a 35W envelope?!

    It might finally be time to consider an upgrade to my media box

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    8C/16T @ 3.2GHz, + Vega 8 @ 2Ghz, in a 35W envelope?!
    Certainly stands out from the crowd. Be interesting to see what the availability ends up being like, as well as the cost.

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    And when can we actually get hold of them officially rather than having to get them on the bay from China...?

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Why dont they make motherboards with 8 or more CPU slots and make efficient mining rigs out of it, instead of having to hoard the big GPU cards that we crave for... that remark goes towards both green and red team of course... and wonder if Intel is gonna be Scalpware as well.

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Quote Originally Posted by QuorTek View Post
    Why dont they make motherboards with 8 or more CPU slots ...
    Intel do - for high end servers. The latest gen EPYC is basically 4 Ryzen 9s in a single socket. If they were good for mining people would be using them.

    If a GPU manufacturer could work out how to produce acceptable mining cards from "faulty" dies - something like 2 or 4 dies that don't make the GPU bin with a switch chip, low clocks and lots of slow memory - they might be able to do something like a mining co-processor and protect the higher binned chips/cards. But given no-one's done that, it presumably isn't possible.

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    PCIe3 seems odd at this point.

    No mention of ECC ram. I liked that about the 4750G etc, but didn't like the fact I never got a chance to buy one.

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Ryzen 7 5700GE... 4.6GHz, 8 Cores @ 35W

    Meanwhile, Intel needs 180W to do 4.6GHz with 6 cores. RIP Intel!

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    AMD should be SMART and give DIY consumers APUs with enough power to make series-X cry, but they give us Vega 8. A director of AMD at the Nerd show simply said "there is no market for such powerful APUs". AMD should revisit strengthening APUs because dGPUs are hard to find thanks to miners.

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    No mention of ECC ram. I liked that about the 4750G etc ...
    I suspect it'll remain tied to the OEM-only Pro APUs, officially. I've lost track of where AMD are with unofficial ECC support - I know it used to be available on low-end parts, but that was back in the AM3 days....

    Quote Originally Posted by bae85 View Post
    Ryzen 7 5700GE... 4.6GHz, 8 Cores @ 35W

    Meanwhile, Intel needs 180W to do 4.6GHz with 6 cores. RIP Intel!
    That's a single-core boost speed. Base frequency is 3.2GHz, although it will be interesting to see what kind of all core speeds it can maintain within that 35W envelope...

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    ... AMD should revisit strengthening APUs because dGPUs are hard to find ...
    AMD's APUs are made in the same fabs as the dGPUs, so will also be in short supply. Besides, if the IGP was more powerful miners would just buy the APUs so they could mine on the IGP as well as a bunch of discrete cards.

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Quote Originally Posted by QuorTek View Post
    Why dont they make motherboards with 8 or more CPU slots and make efficient mining rigs out of it, instead of having to hoard the big GPU cards that we crave for... that remark goes towards both green and red team of course... and wonder if Intel is gonna be Scalpware as well.
    Multi chip motherboards are very expensive. You need basically 8 times as many sets of circuitry to put in 8 chips...

    I doubt many would be happy with a £1200 motherboard. Also each chip requires it's own ram so a motherboard with 32 ram slots. You can see the issue here can't you
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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post

    That's a single-core boost speed. Base frequency is 3.2GHz, although it will be interesting to see what kind of all core speeds it can maintain within that 35W envelope...

    Well AM4's socket PPT limits might have something to say about this. I'm not sure what the PPT limit for 35W TDP chips is (I think 55W - someone correct me if they know), but 65W TDP chips hit a wall at 88W, the Zen 3 based Ryzen 5600X (65W TDP) does 4.6GHz all core boost at 76W so it's still got 12W to play with (and is still 104W better than Intel's!).

    By comparison my 8C/16T Zen 2 based Ryzen does 4.2GHz all core @ 55w (35W TDP) maybe with efficiencies and whatever else their engineers have come up with between Zen 2 and Zen 3 4.6GHz on a six core chip @ 55W would be attainable?

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    PCIe3 seems odd at this point.

    No mention of ECC ram. I liked that about the 4750G etc, but didn't like the fact I never got a chance to buy one.
    Something to do with increasing the cost of mobos? If they are going to OEMs mainly then perhaps they just don't think the market down there cares about PCI-e 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    I suspect it'll remain tied to the OEM-only Pro APUs, officially. I've lost track of where AMD are with unofficial ECC support - I know it used to be available on low-end parts, but that was back in the AM3 days....
    Still enabled, but you need an Asus or Asrock motherboard. Any of them though, AFAIK. I'm typing this on a 3700X with 32GB of 3200MHz ECC ram in a consumer X470 motherboard

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    Something to do with increasing the cost of mobos? If they are going to OEMs mainly then perhaps they just don't think the market down there cares about PCI-e 4?
    Possibly to do with power draw if these are just a differently packaged laptop chip.

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    Re: AMD intros the Ryzen 5000 G-Series APUs for desktops

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Certainly stands out from the crowd. Be interesting to see what the availability ends up being like, as well as the cost.
    That's the question. Obviously the 4000 series were OEM only but there is a 3200GE at 35W TDP around - except that it's not available anywhere I've looked in both the UK and US. That and even the 3200g is way overpriced right now, despite the 5000 series CPUS being reasonably in stock at the RRP.

    Same goes for Intel's 35W -T CPUs. I have a 3220T in my HTPC which Scan stocked, though it was very OEM and shipped in a brown box. I haven't seen a T series Intel CPU at retail since but wouldn't mind going for another 35W TDP APU. I certainly need something with an iGPU as I want to go itx and need the PCI-e slot for my TV tuner card.

    That said, finding a decent 400W or less PSU is also a challenge, so it's more than likely that any PSU I get will have a <20% power draw.

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    Something to do with increasing the cost of mobos? If they are going to OEMs mainly then perhaps they just don't think the market down there cares about PCI-e 4?
    I guess that AMD believe that paring their APUs with A520 motherboards is the logical choice, ignoring the handful of people who want an APU paired with a better board. And it defies the logic of having video outputs on X570 boards if APUs aren't supposed to be options for those boards.

    I just wish that AMD got their act together and made all of their APUs available at retail. I need to replace my HTPC and would like to switch to AMD but without availability at RRP Intel just makes more sense when the board/CPU pricing is on par. Doesn't matter if the AMD APU is better, if they're not available to buy.
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