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    Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Lakefield Core i5-L16G7 (1b+4L) CPU shows good gains vs W10 in many benchmarks.
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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    THIS is why Win 11 exists and is coming...
    Now imagine why it's such a big thing seeing as the fruity guys are all fawning over the M1
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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    taking with a pinch of salt given no comparison benchmarks with other CPU's could easily be within OS general performance improvements that maybe seen on all CPU's not just B-L procs. above does not hold any merit just yet IMV.

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by PMMEASURES View Post
    taking with a pinch of salt given no comparison benchmarks with other CPU's could easily be within OS general performance improvements that maybe seen on all CPU's not just B-L procs. above does not hold any merit just yet IMV.
    Yes - maybe - but the performance under Win 10 is awful and not at all nice. Win 11 *should* make it more acceptable. If people want low power ARM and hybrid cpu's on Windows then they'll need Win 11
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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Performance with Windows 10 is perfectly acceptable. With an SSD, Word opens in... 1 second. That's just one example.

    There's a limit of what to expect from performance when everything is already very, very fast.

    Then again, all performance enhancements are welcome. Let's just be a bit realistic.

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur1814 View Post
    Performance with Windows 10 is perfectly acceptable. With an SSD, Word opens in... 1 second. That's just one example.
    But opening GIMP is a go put the kettle on job, whereas in Linux it opens on the same machine in a second or two.

    Even so, there is no reason why the scheduler, filesystems etc can't be tweaked in Windows 10 iterations to bring in better performance or tweaks for new hardware. What they can't do is change how they make money from us. That requires a version number change.

    New Windows versions usually come with a new Direct X version. Time for lucky 13?

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    But opening GIMP is a go put the kettle on job, whereas in Linux it opens on the same machine in a second or two.

    Even so, there is no reason why the scheduler, filesystems etc can't be tweaked in Windows 10 iterations to bring in better performance or tweaks for new hardware. What they can't do is change how they make money from us. That requires a version number change.

    New Windows versions usually come with a new Direct X version. Time for lucky 13?
    The scheduler in Win 10 can't be rewritten to work as well as "other" schedulers in Win 10 as it stands. It currently doesn't like big.little configurations where the cores are fundamentally different for example. So an M1 style chip works poorly under Win 10. Rewriting the scheduler currently breaks a lot of software - this is the real reason Win 11 is coming, and why the last version of Windows is fals for Win 10. Win 11 also currently breaks a lot of old hardware and software and it looks like Microsoft are going to have to lose a good deal of the famous backwards compatibility.

    PS all this info is out there and has been for a while. Their hand(s) have been forced by the success and what people are saying about the M1 chip despite it's limitations and issues
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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Win 11 also currently breaks a lot of old hardware and software and it looks like Microsoft are going to have to lose a good deal of the famous backwards compatibility.
    Windows backwards compatibility was always a lie, so I for one am good with that. Occasionally I try and play an old game, and it is an utter nightmare under Windows.

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Windows backwards compatibility was always a lie, so I for one am good with that. Occasionally I try and play an old game, and it is an utter nightmare under Windows.
    It's always drm/protection. Find them with no protection like GOG and they nearly always run fine. Looks over at missus playing RCT3 on Win 10 no issues
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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    It's always drm/protection. Find them with no protection like GOG and they nearly always run fine. Looks over at missus playing RCT3 on Win 10 no issues
    Well to be fair to CDPR, they do quite a lot of work sometimes on getting games working under modern systems.

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Cannot say I have experience that with Gimp 5secs it up and running, but Gimp programmers i believe are sort of really mainly Linux users so expect more bugs/less optimisations with Gimp on windows.

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by PMMEASURES View Post
    Cannot say I have experience that with Gimp 5secs it up and running, but Gimp programmers i believe are sort of really mainly Linux users so expect more bugs/less optimisations with Gimp on windows.
    I just tried that. 3900X with 16GB DDR4 and it was around 30 seconds on Windows 10. Spent ages loading the Python related stuff, so to me that makes sense it'd work better in Linux.

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by PMMEASURES View Post
    Cannot say I have experience that with Gimp 5secs it up and running, but Gimp programmers i believe are sort of really mainly Linux users so expect more bugs/less optimisations with Gimp on windows.
    As a Linux dev I must admit when hit with Windows small file performance problems I just shrug them off. I know how to optimise around it, but why should every single application have to be bloated with code and increase its storage footprint to get around the fact Windows can't process or cache its filesystem well? Windows should just get gud

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    I just tried that. 3900X with 16GB DDR4 and it was around 30 seconds on Windows 10. Spent ages loading the Python related stuff, so to me that makes sense it'd work better in Linux.
    About a second and a half here on Fedora to run "gimp Webcam-1624368075.png" to edit a 1920x1080 video snapshot I just took. That's a 3700X, 32GB of rather slow ECC DDR4 (3200MHz but CL22) and an old SATA SSD.

    I suspect a modern NVMe drive would speed that up nicely, thought I did run GIMP on Friday so it might have been cached still.
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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Windows backwards compatibility was always a lie, so I for one am good with that. Occasionally I try and play an old game, and it is an utter nightmare under Windows.
    I can confirm that office 2000, adobe pro 8 and other old software work just fine on win10, as do all my old games once securROM and similar BS have been stripped out of the ISO image.

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I suspect a modern NVMe drive would speed that up nicely, thought I did run GIMP on Friday so it might have been cached still.
    It was also loading off an MP600 on PCI-e 4.0, lol.

    Question from an idiot - if Windoze 10 was designed to be the "last ever Windoze", surely every part of the thing is upgradeable? If they want to bring in a new version of Windaz for this new breed of CPU, why can't they modify Win 10? Is it something to do with the infinite number of configurations out there and Windhose users needing things to "just work" (yeh, right), whereas with Linux they can rely on technical users to resolve most issues?

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    Re: Windows 11 benchmarked with Intel hybrid processors

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    I just tried that. 3900X with 16GB DDR4 and it was around 30 seconds on Windows 10. Spent ages loading the Python related stuff, so to me that makes sense it'd work better in Linux.
    Wow it literally 5-6 seconds on my works 6 core intel 8th gen with 16gb - but i do dedicate 1Gb of ram to a ramdisk for tmp files not sure if that makes a difference.

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