Microsoft Windows 11 to be a free upgrade for Windows 10 users

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Revamped version of Windows 10 with refined UI, is the "best Windows ever for gaming".

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Hopefully I can delay installing it until most of that awful mess can be undone with registry hacks.

Windows Live all over again?!?!?! :)

If that TPM requirement sticks around they can do one, my MoBo is less than 2 years old and doesn't come with TPM and I'm not about to go and buy a TPM module to attach to the header just so Microsoft can tell me what software i can or can't run on my own PC.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

If that TPM requirement sticks around they can do one, my MoBo is less than 2 years old and doesn't come with TPM and I'm not about to go and buy a TPM module to attach to the header just so Microsoft can tell me what software i can or can't run on my own PC.

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Some have noted that you can turn on something called fTMP / Firmware TPM in a modern AMD motherboard BIOS, or Intel Identity Protection Technology / IIPT on an Intel motherboard - and your system will then pass the Windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement check.

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Originally Posted by mtyson

Some have noted that you can turn on something called fTMP / Firmware TPM in a modern AMD motherboard BIOS, or Intel Identity Protection Technology / IIPT on an Intel motherboard - and your system will then pass the Windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement check.

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So you can, i just checked my MoBo manual and discovered i can enable/disable "TPM 2.0 function integrated in the AMD CPU", IDK Ryzen had TPM built in.

As noted Ryzen does have tpm functionality on board and so does later Intel chips.
To be fair if you NEED hardware tpm it's under a tenner for the module

It's not the buying of the module i have issues with, it's the entire TPM idea that i object to. It's that Microsoft can/could decide what software i can or can't run (DRM).

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Originally Posted by Corky34

If that TPM requirement sticks around they can do one, my MoBo is less than 2 years old and doesn't come with TPM and I'm not about to go and buy a TPM module to attach to the header just so Microsoft can tell me what software i can or can't run on my own PC.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

It's not the buying of the module i have issues with, it's the entire TPM idea that i object to. It's that Microsoft can/could decide what software i can or can't run (DRM).

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If correct, and from what little I've read about the TPM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module), I'm with you on both of these comments.

As far as I'm concerned MS can go screw themselves if they think I'm potentially going to allow them any control what I do, or do not install on the system. Plus all the other rather worrying potential privacy issues and problems with TPM.

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Originally Posted by Eggburt69

If correct, and from what little I've read about the TPM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module), I'm with you on both of these comments.

As far as I'm concerned MS can go screw themselves if they think I'm potentially going to allow them any control what I do, or do not install on the system. Plus all the other rather worrying potential privacy issues and problems with TPM.

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Linux for you then...

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Originally Posted by 3dcandy

Linux for you then...

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Which is entirely usable for gaming, thanks to WINE & Proton, and launchers like Lutris
I play Star Citizen on my Kubuntu system, without any drop in framerates.

Why is MS so obsessed with ruining the usability of Windows by focusing on the worst possible input method, touch? I understand focusing on touch interfaces for portable devices like phones and tablets, but these devices running Windows are surely a tiny minority of the userbase. Nobody anywhere ever is going to get any serious work done with touch, unless they are a professional finger painter who enjoys smeary fingerprint covered screens.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

If that TPM requirement sticks around they can do one, my MoBo is less than 2 years old and doesn't come with TPM and I'm not about to go and buy a TPM module to attach to the header just so Microsoft can tell me what software i can or can't run on my own PC.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

It's not the buying of the module i have issues with, it's the entire TPM idea that i object to. It's that Microsoft can/could decide what software i can or can't run (DRM).

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If correct, and from what little I've read about the TPM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module), I'm with you on both of these comments.

As far as I'm concerned MS can go screw themselves if they think I'm potentially going to allow them any control what I do, or do not install on the system. Plus all the other rather worrying potential privacy issues and problems with TPM.

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Blah, blah, blah. Heard it ALL before. Just move away and get on with your life. The rest of us will install Windows 11 and many will simply tweak the OS. It doesn't have to be anything other than fun.

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Originally Posted by excalibur1814

Blah, blah, blah. Heard it ALL before. Just move away and get on with your life. The rest of us will install Windows 11 and many will simply tweak the OS. It doesn't have to be anything other than fun.

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Nice of you to be so dismissive, although I'm not sure why you felt the need to blah, blah, blah about peoples concerns instead of getting on with you life and having 'fun'.

Sorted my system out - as well as enabling the CPU TPM, I had my OS volume on MBR rather than GPT - I guess this was legacy as I've cloned disks various times during upgrades.

I really hate MBR/GPT IDE/ACHI stuff, too much potential for nightmares.

However, after backing up, I used the Windows inbuilt mbr2gpt command and it was all sorted - somehow my BIOS didn't need any adjustment but it has now changed from legacy mode to UEFI and it all seems good. The upgrade tool reports I'm compatible now.

I don't like the mandatory TPM requirement, it's a good thing to push for but I expect will lead to an onerous amount of older systems that could support Win 11 just not being able to move up.

The vast majority of laptops have TPM chips but there are a large amount of home commercial laptops in the 200-500 price range that don't have a TPM, will the Intel/AMD processors within them have the fTPM/IIPT? Subsequently will it even be a configurable option outside of a BIOS update?

The general user doesn't even know what a BIOS is let alone how to get into it and even worse knowing how to update the BIOS firmware to access that feature.

My only wish is that Microsoft have done this to make the early adopters of Win 11 be restricted to somewhat technical persons initially.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

It's not the buying of the module i have issues with, it's the entire TPM idea that i object to. It's that Microsoft can/could decide what software i can or can't run (DRM).

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It's certainly not a DRM, it's an open security module platform usable by any OS to secure data at rest. While I agree that Microsoft dictating the use of it is silly but the umbrage should be for the right reasons not a belief that this is just MS flexing on you :P