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    Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Tech titans are testing their chip designs now, mass production starts next year.
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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    It feels like Intel is strongarming its way ahead of AMD but AMD was only looking at 5nm node for the next CPU so maybe I'm just being a cynic. TSMC said they wouldn't give preference but Intel has more disposable income than AMDs entire operating revenue for 2020 and TSMC is a business so if they're being given money hand over fist they aren't going to say no.

    But considering the volume is more than Apples, it's likely this isn't just a bootleg offcut and is going to be an actual full fledged either Laptop or Desktop CPU and is unlikely to be a GPU (I would believe) as that takes years to tape into a specific node but we shall see.

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Other fabs are available. AMD might well be looked at Samsung for eg.

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Other fabs are available. AMD might well be looked at Samsung for eg.
    It depends how deeply ingrained AMD is with TSMC and if there is some kind of multi-year partnership going on. And as AMD is starting to do 2.5 and 3D chip stacking, is Samsungs approach equivalent/better to TSMCs.

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Other fabs are available. AMD might well be looked at Samsung for eg.
    It depends how deeply ingrained AMD is with TSMC and if there is some kind of multi-year partnership going on. And as AMD is starting to do 2.5 and 3D chip stacking, is Samsungs approach equivalent/better to TSMCs.
    AMD and Samsung are also working together on an arm/rdna 'mobile' chip, so it wouldn't be out of the question for AMD and Samsung to work together in other areas either, access to their fabs might even part of the deal for using the rnda tech on the exynos chip.

    I do agree that I really hope that Intel isn't basically trying to 'buy out' all capacity so that they get the lead back....while it might be business if I was TSMC I wouldn't be burning bridges with AMD because Intel and Apple are both known for being 'vertically integrated' and like to control everything in house.

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    AMD and Samsung are also working together on an arm/rdna 'mobile' chip, so it wouldn't be out of the question for AMD and Samsung to work together in other areas either, access to their fabs might even part of the deal for using the rnda tech on the exynos chip.
    Mmm, good point, that is a possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    I do agree that I really hope that Intel isn't basically trying to 'buy out' all capacity so that they get the lead back....while it might be business if I was TSMC I wouldn't be burning bridges with AMD because Intel and Apple are both known for being 'vertically integrated' and like to control everything in house.
    It can be argued it's just business but it would have been nice Intel being competitive by actually sorting out their issues and being better through hard graft rather than just buying out the competition.

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    AMD and Samsung are also working together on an arm/rdna 'mobile' chip, so it wouldn't be out of the question for AMD and Samsung to work together in other areas either, access to their fabs might even part of the deal for using the rnda tech on the exynos chip.
    Mmm, good point, that is a possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    I do agree that I really hope that Intel isn't basically trying to 'buy out' all capacity so that they get the lead back....while it might be business if I was TSMC I wouldn't be burning bridges with AMD because Intel and Apple are both known for being 'vertically integrated' and like to control everything in house.
    It can be argued it's just business but it would have been nice Intel being competitive by actually sorting out their issues and being better through hard graft rather than just buying out the competition.
    I did actual LOL at that.... that has been "their way" since the 70's
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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    I did actual LOL at that.... that has been "their way" since the 70's
    I know I know, but it's nice to believe once in a while, lol!

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    So the 13th Gen Core will have a single really fast chip that will be sent out for review everywhere (with zero real availability), and every other model in the range fabbed at 14nm++++++++?

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    On the Intel side I would expect it to be their Xe GPUs as GPUs are not part of their core business.

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    from the many articles I have read, 3nm seems to be when very noticeable advancements in performance will happen. I sure wish 3nm would come next year, unfortunately not.

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    Re: Intel and Apple are first in line for TSMC 3nm chips says report

    Update: Taiwanese industry sources indicate that "TSMC has already started equipment move-in for its first 3-nanometer production line at Fab 18, its most advanced fab".

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