Sandy Bridge engineering veteran returns to Intel

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Shlomit Weiss was also one of the key engineers behind SkyLake.

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It could be a good sign becasue Intel have never actually made a big leap ever since .... sandy bridge cpus.

Getting the old crew back together for one last job...what could possibly go wrong?! :-)
I hope they've all looked at what made them leave in the first place, including Pat. :-)

Dr Cutress made a very good point that Intel is breaking their pattern of growing their engineers into positions of influence and excellence by rehiring the veterans of old and disrupting the cycle from within.

His video on the rehiring of Shlomit was quite insightful.

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Originally Posted by Tabbykatze

Dr Cutress made a very good point that Intel is breaking their pattern of growing their engineers into positions of influence and excellence by rehiring the veterans of old and disrupting the cycle from within.

His video on the rehiring of Shlomit was quite insightful.

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yeah but if the cycle has broken down and the current crop are learning from duffers then best to bring in the big guns of old who achieved something decent and get them to teach the young crop. It's like ditching a failing fork in some code, going back a few generations and starting a new fork without the problems and bugs, and just writing the current fork segment off as a lost cause. Sucks if you're in the ditched fork, but you have to take the long term view. Some of those will be shuffled off or leave of their own accord, some can be salvaged and upskilled, others will be assigned duties according to their competence but may have little progression prospect going forwards.

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Originally Posted by ik9000

yeah but if the cycle has broken down and the current crop are learning from duffers then best to bring in the big guns of old who achieved something decent and get them to teach the young crop. It's like ditching a failing fork in some code, going back a few generations and starting a new fork without the problems and bugs, and just writing the current fork segment off as a lost cause. Sucks if you're in the ditched fork, but you have to take the long term view. Some of those will be shuffled off or leave of their own accord, some can be salvaged and upskilled, others will be assigned duties according to their competence but may have little progression prospect going forwards.

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That's a fair point and well made but the problem is if they stay, they scupper the ability for new blood with new ideas to come to the fore is the point that Ian was trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Tabbykatze

That's a fair point and well made but the problem is if they stay, they scupper the ability for new blood with new ideas to come to the fore is the point that Ian was trying to make.

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And the counter argument to that is if the current management / middle management are incompetent they either won't recognise the potential in the fresh ideas being put forward, or worse squash the little upstarts with potential out of vanity and a desire to save their own necks from being usurped by younger more competent types. If bringing back the old guns who recognise a good idea when they hear it, and don't have a point to prove because their reputation and history is already made, then conversly those young fresh ideas might just get the hearing they deserve.

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Originally Posted by ik9000

And the counter argument to that is if the current management / middle management are incompetent they either won't recognise the potential in the fresh ideas being put forward, or worse squash the little upstarts with potential out of vanity and a desire to save their own necks from being usurped by younger more competent types. If bringing back the old guns who recognise a good idea when they hear it, and don't have a point to prove because their reputation and history is already made, then conversly those young fresh ideas might just get the hearing they deserve.

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We can only hope so!

If Intel was a smaller business than the juggernaught they are now then their incompetent failings of their upper management would have been far worse for them.

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We can only hope so!

If Intel was a smaller business than the juggernaught they are now then their incompetent failings of their upper management would have been far worse for them.

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"Luckily" the dastardly anti-competitive behavings of their forebears means they have such a market stranglehold and influence that despite only offering p-poor chips and second-best offerings across the board, they still have enough reserves to weather the storm, and prop up the sinking ship for long enough to find a way to keep it afloat in the long run. Such a shame in some ways. That said with AMD getting more greedy we need the balance of a viable competitor. Can they not both just get to the point of having good products at the same time FFS?

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Originally Posted by ik9000

"Luckily" the dastardly anti-competitive behavings of their forebears means they have such a market stranglehold and influence that despite only offering p-poor chips and second-best offerings across the board, they still have enough reserves to weather the storm, and prop up the sinking ship for long enough to find a way to keep it afloat in the long run. Such a shame in some ways. That said with AMD getting more greedy we need the balance of a viable competitor. Can they not both just get to the point of having good products at the same time FFS?

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Equal footing competition and a regulated market to prevent anti-trust and anti-competitive actions so the customer is the winner first and the businesses second?

Are you quite mad?!? That sounds dangerously close to sensible BS, good sir.