AMD Radeon RX 6600/XT graphics cards tipped to launch on 11 Aug

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Report source indicates that there will be "plenty of cards" available.

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At what price though?? There are plenty of RX6700XT GPUs,etc available but at massively over the RRP,which itself wasn't that great.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

At what price though?? There are plenty of RX6700XT GPUs,etc available but at massively over the RRP,which itself wasn't that great.

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Yes. Although better availability will (should) eventually drive pricing down to levels that aren't insane. Then there is of course the Chinese crackdown on vapour-coin that should help the second-hand market.
I fear however that the manufacturers will use the scarcity/pandemic/scalping excuse as a permanent price-hike across the board.

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Originally Posted by ohmaheid

Then there is of course the Chinese crackdown on vapour-coin that should help the second-hand market.

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From the reports of GPUs being bought straight out the factory in China before we have a sniff at them, I am hoping a lack of Chinese GPU mining will help the new market come back to normality.

Going off what CAT-THE-FIFTH tipped me of to a few weeks ago (iirc) I'm expecting 3060 levels of performance for £379. Not what i wanted as I'm after 3060 Ti levels of performance (decent 1440p gaming performance), hopefully "plenty of cards to go around," will put downward pressure on prices of higher up cards (there's actually stock of some cards now, still silly prices though).

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Originally Posted by Corky34

Going off what CAT-THE-FIFTH tipped me of to a few weeks ago (iirc) I'm expecting 3060 levels of performance for £379. Not what i wanted as I'm after 3060 Ti levels of performance (decent 1440p gaming performance), hopefully "plenty of cards to go around," will put downward pressure on prices of higher up cards (there's actually stock of some cards now, still silly prices though).

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Funny how £379 doesn't sound as expensive as it did this time last year!

Still, nearly £400 for a fricking mid range graphics card! :o

For reference, an RX 480 was £230 at launch and had the same die size. I appreciate that 7nm is pricier than 14nm but the jump from £130 to £230 for mid range took 15 years!

How many paper launches in a row now? I guess at least there's a valid excuse now.

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Originally Posted by badass

Funny how £379 doesn't sound as expensive as it did this time last year!

Still, nearly £400 for a fricking mid range graphics card! :o

For reference, an RX 480 was £230 at launch and had the same die size. I appreciate that 7nm is pricier than 14nm but the jump from £130 to £230 for mid range took 15 years!

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I'm not sure it's even mid range, more upper low end IMO. A sub £400 card may struggle to run some games with all the bells and whistles decently at 1440p and that to me is mid range with 1080p being low end and 4k high end, at least in my brain.

I'd love for the RX 6600/XT to be a decent 1440p sub £400 card but (iirc) they pitched the 6700's as the ideal 1440p card and that's close to £500 MSRP so i can't see them targeting that resolution with this one. :(

AMD is not the budget brand,so now they have decided to price higher than Nvidia. However,the issue is Nvidia also is overpriced - everyone just compares everything to Turing/RDNA1 which were poorly priced at launch too.

At least Nvidia does some FE drops so you can have GPUs at "RRP" but AMD does not do this in Europe,so you end up with the RRP being a myth.

Its a joke when a console such as the XBox Series X has a 56 CU part,etc. So at this point I seriously doubt,once devs make maximum use of the console SOCs,whethere an RTX3060TI/RX6700XT are going to be better than a console.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

I'm not sure it's even mid range, more upper low end IMO. A sub £400 card may struggle to run some games with all the bells and whistles decently at 1440p and that to me is mid range with 1080p being low end and 4k high end, at least in my brain.

I'd love for the RX 6600/XT to be a decent 1440p sub £400 card but (iirc) they pitched the 6700's as the ideal 1440p card and that's close to £500 MSRP so i can't see them targeting that resolution with this one. :(

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You can tell AMD has quietly pushed up the range one notch. The RX6600 4GB isn't a replacement for an RX5600XT,but more likely the RX5500 series.

I expect pricing like the following:
1.)RX6600XT 8GB £350 vs RTX3060TI 8GB
2)RX6600 8GB £300 vs RTX3060 12GB
3.)RX6000 4GB £250

Then you need to consider the RT performance of these GPUs,is already a bit rubbish as you need DLSS/FSR if you want to run at 1440p,a resolution now found on sub £200 GPUs.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

The RX6600 4GB isn't a replacement for an RX5600XT,but more likely the RX5500 series.

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That could be a "try mining on that if you can" stunt. You can't do much gaming on 4GB either, not modern stuff anyway, but there are times I just want to plug in a bunch of monitors and get some work done.

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

That could be a "try mining on that if you can" stunt. You can't do much gaming on 4GB either, not modern stuff anyway, but there are times I just want to plug in a bunch of monitors and get some work done.

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I have a SFF system so don't want to destroy the rest of my PC,and what is the point of buying a GPU for some gaming,if you need to do more work just to afford it?? Might as well buy some crypto and bet on that then!

They have to be $350 for the 6600XT and $280 for the 6600 in order to be attractive options for mid range gamers.
I have a feeling though that AMD is going to charge $400 for the 6600xt and $350 for the 6600 which is absurd, the RX 5700xt was $400 and its likely to be slightly slower than the 6600xt

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

AMD is not the budget brand,so now they have decided to price higher than Nvidia. However,the issue is Nvidia also is overpriced - everyone just compares everything to Turing/RDNA1 which were poorly priced at launch too.

At least Nvidia does some FE drops so you can have GPUs at "RRP" but AMD does not do this in Europe,so you end up with the RRP being a myth.

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Thats not true, the AMD cards drop regularly on thursdays (has for several weeks if not months), there is definitely more chance of getting these than FE cards I know because I have been watching both but I wanted FE and everytime I saw the 6800xt and 6900xt come in stock at RRP on AMDs site. I finally got a 3080FE via scan so I cant say I am watching it much more now but that was only last week so its not old info.

Both are terrible to get hold of for sure just making sure its known that its not impossible nor is it worse than FE that come in stock randomly and on a different site :)

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Originally Posted by Hicks12

Thats not true, the AMD cards drop regularly on thursdays (has for several weeks if not months), there is definitely more chance of getting these than FE cards I know because I have been watching both but I wanted FE and everytime I saw the 6800xt and 6900xt come in stock at RRP on AMDs site. I finally got a 3080FE via scan so I cant say I am watching it much more now but that was only last week so its not old info.

Both are terrible to get hold of for sure just making sure its known that its not impossible nor is it worse than FE that come in stock randomly and on a different site :)

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Really?? That is not the case for the RX6700XT/RX6800 and I am subbed to multiple alert Discords.

I was waiting for an RX6700XT,and never saw one at RRP. I never saw it the day it launched,and I have not seen it since. Compare that to the RTX3060TI where I could have got one on launch day,and even well into December last year,you could get AIB ones for just over £400. Nobody I know has gotten an RX6700XT or RX6800 at RRP at all and its even worse for the RX6700XT,where soon after launch the cheapest deal I ever saw was a RX6700XT on OcUK on a special deal and it was £450~£470 IIRC and it sold out very quickly The same goes with the RX6800.

Just look on Hexus and OcUK forums - many have managed to secure RTX3060TI FE,but RX6700XT reference models?? Rare as hen's teeth. The AIB ones are all over RRP.AMD has stock but its massively over RRP. OcUK has tons of RX6700XT in stock,like some other retailers but its priced incredibly high.All the people I knew who got AMD cards like the RX6700XT and RX6800 bought them for over RRP.

Even Hexus locals like DWL who probably would prefer an AMD GPU(and I do because I run Linux a bit),ended up with an RTX3060TI for this very reason. Even a few weeks ago,Amazon had an RTX3060 for £300ish.In fact over the last month there have been 3 RTX3060TI drops,and last week lots of the higher end cards were available. Now there is a massive drop of the full range today.

It's also reflected by actual AMD GPU sales share - its collapsed over the last year. AMD itself has admitted consoles have impacted supply.

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Also,another issue is that AMD doesn't even now ship reference models to the UK from their store:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ore_to_the_uk/

Something to do with the customs issues after we left the EU. So that implies,unlike Nvidia who uses Scan,AMD seems to ship reference models from an EU location.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Really?? That is not the case for the RX6700XT/RX6800 and I am subbed to multiple alert Discords.

I was waiting for an RX6700XT,and never saw one at RRP. I never saw it the day it launched,and I have not seen it since. Compare that to the RTX3060TI where I could have got one on launch day,and even well into December last year,you could get AIB ones for just over £400. Nobody I know has gotten an RX6700XT or RX6800 at RRP at all and its even worse for the RX6700XT,where soon after launch the cheapest deal I ever saw was a RX6700XT on OcUK on a special deal and it was £450~£470 IIRC and it sold out very quickly The same goes with the RX6800.

Just look on Hexus and OcUK forums - many have managed to secure RTX3060TI FE,but RX6700XT reference models?? Rare as hen's teeth. The AIB ones are all over RRP.AMD has stock but its massively over RRP. OcUK has tons of RX6700XT in stock,like some other retailers but its priced incredibly high.All the people I knew who got AMD cards like the RX6700XT and RX6800 bought them for over RRP.

Even Hexus locals like DWL who probably would prefer an AMD GPU(and I do because I run Linux a bit),ended up with an RTX3060TI for this very reason. Even a few weeks ago,Amazon had an RTX3060 for £300ish.In fact over the last month there have been 3 RTX3060TI drops,and last week lots of the higher end cards were available. Now there is a massive drop of the full range today.

It's also reflected by actual AMD GPU sales share - its collapsed over the last year. AMD itself has admitted consoles have impacted supply.

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Also,another issue is that AMD doesn't even now ship reference models to the UK from their store:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ore_to_the_uk/

Something to do with the customs issues after we left the EU. So that implies,unlike Nvidia who uses Scan,AMD seems to ship reference models from an EU location.

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Interesting, I can only say for the 6800xt for sure but I was using dropsentry (discord) and partalert (twitter), I did sucessfully add a 6800xt to my cart but didnt checkout as I stopped myself (was getting really fed up waiting for 3080 FE!). DIdnt realise they werent shipping to the UK so wouldnt have seen that until I proceeded to the checkout, that would have been doubly frustrating! Pretty crappy situation then

I only went with the 3080FE because their encoder performance is much better so for using the Oculus Quest 2 via link/wireless is better performance than AMD, it was the only factor as I always buy AMD IF they are equal in performance/price or better which AMD is right now for NON RT games (dont really care for it, nice to have not huge value yet).

Hopefully console stock reaches saturation soon so the wafer distribution can be moved towards more GPUs!

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Even Hexus locals like DWL who probably would prefer an AMD GPU(and I do because I run Linux a bit),ended up with an RTX3060TI for this very reason.

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Usually the case, though that card was for my VR setup as my office is too space constrained to play most VR games so I wasn't as bothered.

Seems hard for AMD to say that consoles are still the reason for current AMD GPU pricing if all the shops have stock?!?

Didn't x60 or x600 cards used to be around £200 or so?
Way too steep for me at RRP never mind during a shortage. Most I ever paid for a 7950 which I paid £240 (less since I was able to flog the voucher codes so closer to £200). And was ATM second from the top.
The last card I bough was a 6GB 1060 for £140 from Amazon warehouse which I unwisely flogged around last September (I though I was doing okay getting £100 for it at the time, little did I know :( still £40 for 18 months use was good). Had hopped to get a card with more VRAM without paying much more as there are some Skyrim Wabbajack modlists which really want 8GB or more (recently upgraded both my monitors to 1440p for WfH so would now need more grunt too).

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Originally Posted by Hicks12

Hopefully console stock reaches saturation soon so the wafer distribution can be moved towards more GPUs!

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Well, if Sony's PS% projections about sales are anything to go by that is unlikely.

Although wasn't there talk about Sony moving to 6nm? I think if AMD are eating of the low yields the cost of the PS5 being pushed to far (hence the 4700S), they would be quite keen for Sony to move to 6nm.

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Originally Posted by Hicks12

Interesting, I can only say for the 6800xt for sure but I was using dropsentry (discord) and partalert (twitter), I did sucessfully add a 6800xt to my cart but didnt checkout as I stopped myself (was getting really fed up waiting for 3080 FE!). DIdnt realise they werent shipping to the UK so wouldnt have seen that until I proceeded to the checkout, that would have been doubly frustrating! Pretty crappy situation then

I only went with the 3080FE because their encoder performance is much better so for using the Oculus Quest 2 via link/wireless is better performance than AMD, it was the only factor as I always buy AMD IF they are equal in performance/price or better which AMD is right now for NON RT games (dont really care for it, nice to have not huge value yet).

Hopefully console stock reaches saturation soon so the wafer distribution can be moved towards more GPUs!

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I wasn't looking at the RX6800XT/RX6900XT so it might have been possible it was better for them. I was hearing RTX3090 GPUs were easier to get than RTX3080 GPUs!

AMD generally has better performance/watt and more VRAM,so for me that is why I would have preferred an RX6700XT. Nvidia does have better RT performance,but currently like with Fermi and the HD5000 WRT to tessellation,I think both will be meh in RT performance terms within 2 years.

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

Usually the case, though that card was for my VR setup as my office is too space constrained to play most VR games so I wasn't as bothered.

Seems hard for AMD to say that consoles are still the reason for current AMD GPU pricing if all the shops have stock?!?

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I don't know but its not only stock - even the RRP of the RX6700XT was too high against the RTX3060TI.

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Originally Posted by kompukare

Didn't x60 or x600 cards used to be around £200 or so?
Way too steep for me at RRP never mind during a shortage. Most I ever paid for a 7950 which I paid £240 (less since I was able to flog the voucher codes so closer to £200). And was ATM second from the top.
The last card I bough was a 6GB 1060 for £140 from Amazon warehouse which I unwisely flogged around last September (I though I was doing okay getting £100 for it at the time, little did I know :( still £40 for 18 months use was good). Had hopped to get a card with more VRAM without paying much more as there are some Skyrim Wabbajack modlists which really want 8GB or more (recently upgraded both my monitors to 1440p for WfH so would now need more grunt too).

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I agree - did get hold of an RTX3060TI 8GB but will need to see how long I have it,but I am concerned this price increase is going to keep happening. I have hedged my bets,by trying to get a 1080p monitor for gaming,instead of my current qHD monitor(which I bought for image editing).

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

I agree - did get hold of an RTX3060TI 8GB but will need to see how long I have it,but I am concerned this price increase is going to keep happening. I have hedged my bets,by trying to get a 1080p monitor for gaming,instead of my current qHD monitor(which I bought for image editing).

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Lots of foundry expansion ATM.
Even GF is expanding.
ASML is fully booked out as memory manufacturer now want EUV too.

Obviously, those billion will have to paid back (foundry business is almost like a bank), but eventually there might be a glut.

PRC foundries might have become the disruptors but that's unlike in the short term as China now has to bypass ASML. Longer term it will eventually happen.

Proper foundries keep a lot of their old lines (unlike Intel) which helps but GPUs really need the advanced expensive nodes for most things. Maybe if the cost per transistors keeps barely falling, someone can design a huge wide GPU which run on 14nm or similar but at lower clocks. Nobody has ever designed anything except cheap older GPUs with that thinking.

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Originally Posted by kompukare

Lots of foundry expansion ATM.
Even GF is expanding.
ASML is fully booked out as memory manufacturer now want EUV too.

Obviously, those billion will have to paid back (foundry business is almost like a bank), but eventually there might be a glut.

PRC foundries might have become the disruptors but that's unlike in the short term as China now has to bypass ASML. Longer term it will eventually happen.

Proper foundries keep a lot of their old lines (unlike Intel) which helps but GPUs really need the advanced expensive nodes for most things. Maybe if the cost per transistors keeps barely falling, someone can design a huge wide GPU which run on 14nm or similar but at lower clocks. Nobody has ever designed anything except cheap older GPUs with that thinking.

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The problem is AMD/Nvidia and their focus on short term margins. Even the GDDR6 shortage issues rumour,almost sounds a bit planted to justify the higher pricing. Even that PS5 failed SOC motherboard has 16GB of GDDR6,and I suspect it won't be that highly priced,as the CPU will be slower than a Ryzen 7 3700X/5700G with DDR4.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

I don't know but its not only stock - even the RRP of the RX6700XT was too high against the RTX3060TI.

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I had a quick look on Overclockers, and noticed they had the non FE 3060ti available, and the price was pretty high but still lower cost than the 6700 XT cards they have.

I'm struggling to see how AMD are selling any GPUs right now.

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

I had a quick look on Overclockers, and noticed they had the non FE 3060ti available, and the price was pretty high but still lower cost than the 6700 XT cards they have.

I'm struggling to see how AMD are selling any GPUs right now.

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AMD seems to be making the same mistake Intel is by just looking at margins - remember this a while back:
https://www.techspot.com/news/89822-...cpus-over.html

IMHO,they are doing the same with GPUs,but forgetting that they haven't really beaten Nvidia and haven't got the mindshare yet. Their GPU sales share has gone from 25% of the market in Q1 2020 to under 20% currently. Nvidia seems to be able to address more of the market,whereas AMD has even gotten rid of most of its 14NM/12NM products. Nvidia,OTH,hasn't done this.

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

I had a quick look on Overclockers, and noticed they had the non FE 3060ti available, and the price was pretty high but still lower cost than the 6700 XT cards they have.

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Probably not very relevant but i can tell you, having been checking daily for a month or more, that they've only got those in stock over the last few days.

I've notice a few e-tailers got stock in of 3060 Ti's over the last week so i guess things are improving slowly but prices are still stratospheric.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

Probably not very relevant but i can tell you, having been checking daily for a month or more, that they've only got those in stock over the last few days.

I've notice a few e-tailers got stock in of 3060 Ti's over the last week so i guess things are improving slowly but prices are still stratospheric.

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Cheers, I wondered if that was the case but didn't know. There seem to have been AMD cards in stock for weeks now, perhaps if some Nvidia cards are turning up the sales will drop off at that price and the prices will come down.

OFC we have the "back to school" spending spree coming up soon, so a bunch of GPUs going into machines for a new school/university year might keep demand high for a bit.

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

I had a quick look on Overclockers, and noticed they had the non FE 3060ti available, and the price was pretty high but still lower cost than the 6700 XT cards they have.

I'm struggling to see how AMD are selling any GPUs right now.

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Presumably they're selling them to AIB partners fine, who are probably the ones who've put up prices to retail because they're still being bought somehow.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

AMD seems to be making the same mistake Intel is by just looking at margins - remember this a while back:
https://www.techspot.com/news/89822-...cpus-over.html

IMHO,they are doing the same with GPUs,but forgetting that they haven't really beaten Nvidia and haven't got the mindshare yet. Their GPU sales share has gone from 25% of the market in Q1 2020 to under 20% currently. Nvidia seems to be able to address more of the market,whereas AMD has even gotten rid of most of its 14NM/12NM products. Nvidia,OTH,hasn't done this.

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Isn't this news article precisely about that? They are beginning to address more mainstream markets with the likes of the 6600.

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Originally Posted by Corky34

Probably not very relevant but i can tell you, having been checking daily for a month or more, that they've only got those in stock over the last few days.

I've notice a few e-tailers got stock in of 3060 Ti's over the last week so i guess things are improving slowly but prices are still stratospheric.

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They have been in stock on and off for weeks. The difference is the RTX3060 and RTX3060TI sell out quicker,and the RX6700XT drops take much longer to sell out,and in a number of case they don't appear to. People on OcUK forums have started to noticed this and have questioned why they cost so much!

Its not even like the RX6700XT is a great mining GPU either,so the pricing is pure fantasy even if you consider mining.

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Originally Posted by kalniel

Isn't this news article precisely about that? They are beginning to address more mainstream markets with the likes of the 6600.

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The AMD PR guy mocked the Ampere launch for not having enough stock,and implied there was plenty of stock for the RX6800 series launch in comparison. The reality there was even less stock for the RX6000 series. I don't believe anything AMD PR is saying about stock levels until we see it(mates still managed to get aftermarket RTX3060TI cards easily for just over £400 from Scan well into December).

Also it all means diddly squat,if like the RX6700XT launch you can find hardly anything near to RRP. Everyone I know who wanted a RX6700XT,just ended up with a RTX3060TI because at least Nvidia has partnered with a local retailer to offer some GPUs at RRP. AMD does not ship via their store to the UK now,so even the tiny chance of you finding a reference model at RRP(it was already not a great chance) is even worse in the UK.

So AMD RRP in the UK is currently make belief.

The cheapest I ever saw a RX6700XT was £450~£470 IIRC,when OcUK did a special forum only deal for a small amount of members,where they lost money AFAIK. The RX6700XT RRP was £420 and it was already considered to be slightly overpriced by many reviewers. I really wanted an RX6700XT,but the RTX3060TI is just better price/performance.

You can see this on this very forum,where many(including me) have just given up on getting any AMD GPU under £700 at even close to RRP.

No news on the 6700 non XT version looking at the skews it will be a 36 CU Gpu and 12/8GB

The last Nvidia GPu I had was an fx5200 and I have been AMD since and planned to stay that way and want a 6700xt. But right now a 3060ti or 3070 Fe is my only real chance as AMD don't me as a customer in the UK.

Don't get me wrong if all the 6700xts in stock everywhere come down to reasonable prices I will buy one, its who want to take my money first.

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Originally Posted by Percy1983

The last Nvidia GPu I had was an fx5200 ...

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I can see how that would put you off Nvidia ;) :D