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    Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    In a recent AMA session an exec said it is all about offering better security than ever before.
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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    I am quite sure that some enterprising individuals will work out a way to install it by swerving minimum compatibility checks and things will be 'OK'.
    so its actually fine...

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    *awaits someone saying they've never done this before*
    Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    I sometimes , more often of late , yearn for the early days of mass computing ( 386 /486 ).
    Computing was more fun for me then and you had control of what was on your PC and what it did. The way things are headed the only control we will have is the on and off switch , er , maybe. lol.

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    So... "You won't be able to cheat the upgrade, particularly in organisations," implies they know its actually possible to cheat the upgrade, just not officially.

    This therefore completely removes their arguement for the tight restriction being to improve security as its clearly going to put the hundreds of thousands with older hardware at risk when they stary googling how to install windows 11 on older hardware.

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    This means that come general rollout time, for the release version of Windows 11, it might support CPUs as old as the 7th Intel Gen Core processors (Kaby Lake), and the AMD Zen 1 processors (Ryzen 1000 series). Meanwhile, the compatibility checker app seems to be on hold, waiting for this decision.
    Not good enough.Skylake and Kabylake are essentially the same CPU! Even the IGPs are essentially the same generation. However,my Skylake enterprise laptop,which has TPM2.0,still gets new BIOSes from Dell,etc can't support Windows 11 for no reason.

    Also I would say its probably millions or even tens of millions of people on older hardware.

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    Good.

    Vista arrived with Superfetch, which actively used your ram to cache often launched applications. Acer shipped desktops with 256Kb/512Kb ram.

    Yeah. That much. Cue screams of, "Vista sucks and eats ram!"

    Can't win either way.

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    Quote Originally Posted by mers View Post
    I sometimes , more often of late , yearn for the early days of mass computing ( 386 /486 ).
    Computing was more fun for me then and you had control of what was on your PC and what it did. The way things are headed the only control we will have is the on and off switch , er , maybe. lol.
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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    Quote Originally Posted by mers View Post
    Computing was more fun for me then and you had control of what was on your PC and what it did.
    Not for me. Playing around with autoexec.bat and config.sys, declaring what memory is available and the interrupts of your sound card, having graphics cards which aren't compatible with each other... I think that very few people will honestly miss that.

    PCs these days largely work. Sure, sometimes they don't, and because they're a lot more complex it can be harder to understand why. But it's still way better than how they were in the old days, at least on the PC side, when you pretty much had to be an enthusiast to use them.

    Now the Amiga, that was better.

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    "The minimum requirements as they stand will "keep devices more productive, have a better experience..."

    My nearly 12 year old first gen i5 machine runs W10 perfectly fine. What kind of crap are they putting in W11 that means that it will be "less productive" on machines that are 6 years newer than mine?

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    Quote Originally Posted by ET3D View Post
    Not for me. Playing around with autoexec.bat and config.sys, declaring what memory is available and the interrupts of your sound card, having graphics cards which aren't compatible with each other... I think that very few people will honestly miss that.
    Even back in those days I was running Linux on my work 386-20, so no I don't miss autoexec.bat and all the himem nonsense

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    Quote Originally Posted by ET3D View Post
    Not for me. Playing around with autoexec.bat and config.sys, declaring what memory is available and the interrupts of your sound card, having graphics cards which aren't compatible with each other... I think that very few people will honestly miss that.

    PCs these days largely work. Sure, sometimes they don't, and because they're a lot more complex it can be harder to understand why. But it's still way better than how they were in the old days, at least on the PC side, when you pretty much had to be an enthusiast to use them.

    Now the Amiga, that was better.
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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    I don't see the big deal. Computers, especially software, ALWAYS moves on, as does hardware requirements. That's just the way it is and always has been. Windows 10 won't become obsolete the moment Windows 11 drops, do if you don't have TPM 2.0 compatible hardware, you'll still able to run modern applications and games.

    It's interesting what Excalibur mentioned about Windows Vista. Vista wasn't actually THAT bad, apart from the constant security pop-ups (which could be disabled), it just ran really, really badly on low-end or older hardware and came out at a time when the netbook was popular, and ultimately left a bad taste for most people. It looks like a similar scenario with Windows 11, only they're forcing users to have TPM enabled hardware for more security (boot protection). I don't see how that's bad, especially given the amount of nasties out there these days. In a world where things have always moved quickly, supporting 4-year old hardware on a brand new OS is perfectly acceptable, I think.

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    Autoexec.bat? Yeh I had to configure that recently on my Windows 95 VM.

    It now fills the screen with thousands of "ARF"s on boot.

    Also, LH mscdex /d:mtmide01 is seared into my memory because it kept disappearing and Wing Commander wouldn't work.

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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    I had great fun befuddling a friend with an edlin to, oh, msdos.sys IIRC, so it told him MY DOS was booting. And I did the old rename trick on his format.com to tamrof, and autoexec'd an "Are you sure?", "Are you really sure?", "C'mon, Geoff, I mean SURE sure?", "Positive" and finally "No, Geoff, I'm not going to let you format C drive AGAIN".

    He called me a very rude name when he finally worked it out, and yes, Geoff, my parents were married.


    As for the thread theme, I entirely misread that. I thought by "prevent me swerving it" they meant, prevent me swerving to avoid it, not to get it. Silly me.
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    Re: Microsoft says you won't be able to swerve Windows 11 min specs

    MS went to a lot of trouble to promote W10 so its disappointing this philosophy has taken over. Fair enough any new PC will be OK or any from a few years ago can be made compatible if you know to go into BIOS.

    But Ive just upgraded but want to use my older 6700K/Z170 with the same OS as my newer PC - not be stuck on W10 which has only a few years left. I enabled TPM OK but its rejected on CPU age alone.

    A huge number of people wont be offered W11 when its rolled out and may be confused as to why not.

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