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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Well it's more that in the now you don't need to run win 11 I presume, since it's not fully released yet and win 10 will still be supported for some time.
    Indeed it will be.

    Depends on the needs it will be W11 or W10.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Windows 10 had it share of issues too at launch. Ultimately,its prudent to just wait and see especially as we can't say whether Windows 11 will actually have problems with older games too.

    Still annoyed at my Skylake/Kabylake laptop not being allowed to run it,especially since it had hardware TPM2 built-in but will move it to Linux in a few years. Problem sorted!

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    I do agree with your final point that that is where they can go. Similar to software constantly saying "you must disable your AV to allow it to install properly" wherein I look at that kind of request as "my software has been written badly and could be intercepted by your AV or be disrupted by on access scanning and I have not written proper post install checks and validation".
    Interesting that one. The other one I see a lot is where the vendor lists the exclusions required. Always entire directories and often so many of them that they might as well say exclude C:\ from scanning.
    The problem is simple. Despite every person at the software vendor using and experiencing technology and first hand experiencing how unreliable it generally is, they design and code their software as if everything else is completely reliable. That said, most are also suckers for advertising. I am always reminded of a user that had been told by IT that setting up his iPad was really simple and he could do it himself---------came back at least 10 times asking what to do next. The final visit was him popping in to exclaim "I love the way it JUST WORKS!"
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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    This has a Qubes feel to it.

    Notoriously resource intensive.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    One good / one bad ...... will the windows trend ever end?

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubarb View Post
    One good / one bad ...... will the windows trend ever end?
    This can still be turned off and the good/bad moniker is normally due to a woefully unstable and unusable aystem.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    The good/bad thing is just how bandwagons work - people want to group together under whatever opinion is opposite to the current situation - so W10 is now seen as good so everyone wants to appear knowledgeable and get likes and upvotes by saying W11 is bad without ever having tried it or even knowing how to configure their PC to be offered it.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by jwsg View Post
    The good/bad thing is just how bandwagons work - people want to group together under whatever opinion is opposite to the current situation - so W10 is now seen as good so everyone wants to appear knowledgeable and get likes and upvotes by saying W11 is bad without ever having tried it or even knowing how to configure their PC to be offered it.
    That's a huge bloody assumption you're making if referencing someone like myself.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by jwsg View Post
    T...so W10 is now seen as good...
    I wouldn't go that far myself, Windows 10 is only good when compared to Windows 11, and 8 for that matter (IMO). If i was to compare it to Windows 7 it's pretty bad.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    This is slightly different - it's not that GPU hardware is poorly made, however by forcing it on as default (in certain circumstances) it will get people talking about the impact and how to reduce it.
    ISTM that games are just an obvious victim of VBS, but I suspect this is a general slowdown of the system under IO like any other virtual workload. I wonder if code that did a lot of file IO would perform badly as well.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Purely guessing but my suspicion is that it would be any graphically intensive workload, based on how GPU passthrough 'works' on Linux. AFAIK Nvidia only recently enabled GPU passthrough on Windows and it's still in beta so there's probably improvements to be made.

    Windows 11 seems even less finished than Windows 10 was but i guess they rushed it out the door to catch those back to school sales.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

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    ISTM that games are just an obvious victim of VBS, but I suspect this is a general slowdown of the system under IO like any other virtual workload. I wonder if code that did a lot of file IO would perform badly as well.
    I wonder what the impact would be like if features like VT-d/AMD-Vi and SR-IOV were fully* enabled and used. These are all designed to reduce the performance impact of Virtualisation when dealing with I/O

    Also, from personal experience, the performance difference can be absolutely shockingly huge between a Type 1 (bare metal, Like ESXi) hypervisor and a Type 2 Hypervisor like Hyper-V (Which is the tech that VBS is based on)

    *fully - as in not just switching on in the BIOS but all of the hardware and software involved supporting the tech.
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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    several of you guys have hit the nail on the head, I would be more than happy to go back to windows 7 if it had the dx support.
    Infact even windows 98 with out all the UAC bull was more enjoyable than window 10 or 11.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Windows 11 is the 1st Windows OS since before Vista I have not run at launch,or ran a Beta version to test. It just seems a ton of faff and not even better performance either in its current build.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Windows 11 is the 1st Windows OS since before Vista I have not run at launch,or ran a Beta version to test. It just seems a ton of faff and not even better performance either in its current build.
    Well I was going to try at least a VM but with those ridiculous hardware requirements don't actually have any hardware which can run it.
    Ivy Bridge desktop is a no, the Haswell ThinkPad due have a TPM (but probably too early a version), but still is not allowed to run it.

    First time I've seen Windows baulk on hardware requirements in decades.

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    Re: PC users need to be wary of VBS performance impacts on Win 11

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    Well I was going to try at least a VM but with those ridiculous hardware requirements don't actually have any hardware which can run it.
    Ivy Bridge desktop is a no, the Haswell ThinkPad due have a TPM (but probably too early a version), but still is not allowed to run it.

    First time I've seen Windows baulk on hardware requirements in decades.
    My Skylake laptop has TPM2,etc as its Enterprise grade. However,as it still works fine,I have no intention of having to get a new laptop to run Windows 11. I will use the laptop with even Linux,if it does the job. It will get replaced when it falls apart,or when I actually need more processing power. At least replacing parts in a desktop means another person can re-use them,or another system in the home can be upgraded with the older parts.

    With laptops I use them as long as possible. All MS is doing is making more unnecessary E-Waste,when low powered Atom CPUs/ARM CPUs can run this fine.
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