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    More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Planning to give AMD a bloody nose, going by Intel-produced numbers.
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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    It was only a matter of time before Intel started to get back into the game... hopeful that this increased competition spurs AMD on to the great benefit of consumers.

    I'd imagine AMD's chiplet-based architecture could be adapted to mix performance and efficiency cores in various proportions in future CPU designs?

    Looking forward to the discussion of this particular article - quite a shift from Intel.

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    I see they are using Windows 11 for the gaming benchmark. Is this with the AMD CPPC & L3 cache (performance) bugs still in place?

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by KultiVator View Post
    It was only a matter of time before Intel started to get back into the game... hopeful that this increased competition spurs AMD on to the great benefit of consumers.

    I'd imagine AMD's chiplet-based architecture could be adapted to mix performance and efficiency cores in various proportions in future CPU designs?

    Looking forward to the discussion of this particular article - quite a shift from Intel.
    Only a matter of time before Intel got off there backsides because they where getting beaten to a pulp by AMD, infact a few more years of this will do it's 2% faster than the last one model would have killed the company.

    For me though it all depends on price, I'm not rich and my pocket tells me what to buy, all the new offering from leaks are out of my budget.

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by KultiVator View Post
    I'd imagine AMD's chiplet-based architecture could be adapted to mix performance and efficiency cores in various proportions in future CPU designs? .
    It could likely be designed to mix arm, efficiency and/or performance cores, all they'd really need to change on the design is the 'control' part to account for the mix of cores.

    I know AMD have looked at x86/arm hybrid (I'd guess intel have too) in the past so who knows where they might go now windows can support arm and x86/x64. It could actually work quite well if they could assign 'lesser tasks' to the arm cores etc, especially on a mobile cpu. Samsung seems to be trying to add a radeon gpu to an arm cpu too.

    AMD also talked about adding in 'AI' type cores so I'd guess the the modular design had some future proofing in it's conception.

    Assuming AMD get the same sort of 'support' from MS as intel did with the scheduler they could completely surprise Intel again with a 'hybrid' design.

    At the same time, I'm not sure AMD really needs to go down the efficiency core route, they're not trying to set records for the most power draw like Intel lol

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubarb View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KultiVator View Post
    It was only a matter of time before Intel started to get back into the game... hopeful that this increased competition spurs AMD on to the great benefit of consumers.

    I'd imagine AMD's chiplet-based architecture could be adapted to mix performance and efficiency cores in various proportions in future CPU designs?

    Looking forward to the discussion of this particular article - quite a shift from Intel.
    Only a matter of time before Intel got off there backsides because they where getting beaten to a pulp by AMD, infact a few more years of this will do it's 2% faster than the last one model would have killed the company.

    For me though it all depends on price, I'm not rich and my pocket tells me what to buy, all the new offering from leaks are out of my budget.
    Intel has been beaten to a pulp only with zen 3. zen 2 was not that far off 10th gen which, lets not forget that 10th gen is just a 6700K from 2015 with 10 cores...
    Not saying AMD isn't doing great, but Intel has been standing STILL, that is why AMD caught up.

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge



    Wait,wut?? At 65W the efficiency tales off.

    Also,the Core it 12600KF looks like its $264,so around £230(so probably around £240~£250 in the UK?). Looks like it will be cheaper and faster than the Ryzen 5 5600X which is now around £270 in the UK. The bigger question OFC is how much the B650/B660 motherboards cost,and whether DDR4 is problematic with the platform.

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Bet you those numbers are not correct. I wouldn't trust it
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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Also,the Core it 12600KF looks like its $264,so around £230(so probably around £240~£250 in the UK?). Looks like it will be cheaper and faster than the Ryzen 5 5600X which is now around £270 in the UK. The bigger question OFC is how much the B650/B660 motherboards cost,and whether DDR4 is problematic with the platform.
    prices are on the scan website https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...3463/3464/3465

    the I5 12600KF is £269.99

    and they've only got the Z690 motherboards so far https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...3470/3471/3472

    starting at £170.

    cheapest DDR5 board is https://www.scan.co.uk/products/giga...b-32-gen-2-atx at £190


    no prices for the DDR5 memory yet though https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...am-memory-kits


    There was a youtube video earlier mentioning it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juW-_sx9X3A
    just incase you wondering how i knew

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by stevie lee View Post
    prices are on the scan website https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...3463/3464/3465

    the I5 12600KF is £269.99

    and they've only got the Z690 motherboards so far https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...3470/3471/3472

    starting at £170.

    cheapest DDR5 board is https://www.scan.co.uk/products/giga...b-32-gen-2-atx at £190


    no prices for the DDR5 memory yet though https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...am-memory-kits
    The B series motherboards haven't launched yet and even the Z590 was very overpriced - there are DDR4 motherboards for ADL too.If you look at a well known US system integrator you can see this:
    https://www.ibuypower.com/gaming-pcs...intel-12th-gen
    https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Inte...5-Configurator

    Even the cheapest Z690 motherboards use DDR4 - so I want to see how firstly DDR4 does with ADL. Is it going to lead to big performance regressions in gaming??

    The Intel ARK pricing is $264~$274 for the Core i5 12600KF:
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-90-ghz.html

    That equates to around £231~£239,so its quite clear the retailers are adding £30~£40 on top of the retail price. Ebuyer have it at £255:
    https://www.ebuyer.com/1288884-intel...bx8071512600kf

    To put in context look at the prices of the Core i5 11600KF:
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-90-ghz.html

    At the top end of the RRP,that would equate to just under £240 in the UK. Scan has it at that price:
    https://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...he-125w-retail

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post

    Wait,wut?? At 65W the efficiency tales off.
    It probably does go lower (when everything is disabled and at idle) but they're suggesting that the i9-12900K performs as well at 65W as the i9-11900K does at 250W... yeah I don't believe that either outside of some VERY cherry picked situations, you just got to the love the 'results may vary' text, it's almost like they're telling us that the graph is a load of [insert rude word of choice] lol

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    It probably does go lower (when everything is disabled and at idle) but they're suggesting that the i9-12900K performs as well at 65W as the i9-11900K does at 250W... yeah I don't believe that either outside of some VERY cherry picked situations, you just got to the love the 'results may vary' text, it's almost like they're telling us that the graph is a load of [insert rude word of choice] lol
    For some reason I read it as both at 65W had similar performance.


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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    I *had* pre ordered this until a few minutes ago, like a complete numpty. FOMO got me.

    12900K @ £579 (scan)
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    32GB of DDR5 @ £285 (direct from corsair)

    Then I realised what a total idiot I had been and cancelled the lot. Nigh on £1100 for parts that we don't even have reviews for yet, which I don't really need and may not even give me the boost I am after in reality over my current 9900k based system.

    I have to thank CAT-THE-FIFTH for that, your voice was in my head the moment I pressed that order button and I've decided to wait for the reviews and to see what real availability is like before I take the plunge. Thank you

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    I *had* pre ordered this until a few minutes ago, like a complete numpty. FOMO got me.

    12900K @ £579 (scan)
    Motherboard @ £250 (scan)
    32GB of DDR5 @ £285 (direct from corsair)

    Then I realised what a total idiot I had been and cancelled the lot. Nigh on £1100 for parts that we don't even have reviews for yet, which I don't really need and may not even give me the boost I am after in reality over my current 9900k based system.

    I have to thank CAT-THE-FIFTH for that, your voice was in my head the moment I pressed that order button and I've decided to wait for the reviews and to see what real availability is like before I take the plunge. Thank you
    I probably would wait too if I had a Core i9 9900K. Personally the performance with DDR4 is going to make or break the value preposition with ADL.

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by quikgoner123 View Post
    I see they are using Windows 11 for the gaming benchmark. Is this with the AMD CPPC & L3 cache (performance) bugs still in place?
    Charlie Demerjian says Intel used the unpatched version of Windows 11, i.e. the one without AMD perfromance fixes. Full quote below

    "Confirmed, Intel used a known crippled version of Windows to hobble the AMD scores at the #IntelON event. Unacceptable intentionally misleading lies. Applying widely available and known patches would have fundamentally changed the results. They lied. Again. @PGelsinger"

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    Re: More Intel 12th Gen Core performance numbers emerge

    Quote Originally Posted by mtyson View Post
    Charlie Demerjian says Intel used the unpatched version of Windows 11, i.e. the one without AMD perfromance fixes. Full quote below

    "Confirmed, Intel used a known crippled version of Windows to hobble the AMD scores at the #IntelON event. Unacceptable intentionally misleading lies. Applying widely available and known patches would have fundamentally changed the results. They lied. Again. @PGelsinger"
    It would be nice if he could post his evidence (I guess the 12th Gen Blueprint appendix) - I can't find it via google to validate but it's probably out there. I don't doubt him here though as Intel probably did the benchmarks and got them over to marketing well before the fix came out from Microsoft, and naturally they were not incentivised to re-run them a few days before the press briefing if it's going to hurt their stats.

    Totally agree it's shady mind and I am not defending Intel. AMD/Nvidia et al are all at similar things though, which is why we need the independent benchmarks Looking forward to the GamersNexus ones next week as a relatively unbiased channel/site.

    You can probably just assume that its flat even performance with a 5950x then. That still isn't bad at the top end given a 12900k is ~£150 cheaper than a 5950x....but not quite as impressive as the slides show.

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