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    HEXUS.feature: NVIDIA – Telling us the way it should be played?

    Here at EIEF, NVIDIA are showcasing some of the latest games that will soon be hitting the shelves, either in game screenings, or in playable versions down in the arcade, but the question is why?
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    I would be interested to know if ATi do this as well?

    Will it ever come to a point were by the games are made into two versions - one for ATi and one Nvidia GPUs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifesquestion
    I would be interested to know if ATi do this as well?

    Will it ever come to a point were by the games are made into two versions - one for ATi and one Nvidia GPUs?
    There are other graphics solutions out there too, you know!

    I don't think it'll ever come to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kez
    There are other graphics solutions out there too, you know!

    I don't think it'll ever come to that.
    True true, anyway I am sure that the game deveopers would rather not exclude such a large number of people. But it does mean that people will want to go out and buy the latest GPU to take advantage of the latest effects How can any one resist

    Side note: Played the F.E.A.R demo yesterday and it looked amazing!!

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    Well, if the gap between games and hardware closes much more, then systems will become outdated far more quickley. If you buy a top of the range system now then it'll probably last about 3ish years. But if the software is at the same stage as the hardware when it's released, then we may be finding that a system will only last a year of so before the software outdates the hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifesquestion
    ...interested to know...
    ATI have a massive developer relations program that focuses their efforts on the code being created (less than the pretty colours used on the box ) in order to create the best possible experience for the end user

    CrossFire is a great example of ATI's 'general solution' approach to development - as opposed to our competitors 'it is probably going to be OK if someone uses this exact driver with this exact BIOS with this game version on a Wednesday if they jump up and down in a shell suit and carry a drumstick on their left hand'

    I exagerate - but you get the point

    What would be really funny would be situations where:-

    1) Your latest '£400 card' looked faster than your previous best because you had convinced certain web sites to test with AA off (cos you take a serious performance hit when image quality is pushed upwards) and AF on (cos the filtering quality you are offering is worse than your previous card - but it goes quicker - so they hope that no one notices)

    2) You stop making (or even take out) optimisations for a previous (Ti ?) generation of card to make them seem slower than the replacement (MX)

    3) You invested in a 'relationship programme' for a product like FarCry - but your latest and greatest card struggles to keep pace with an X850 at 1600x1200 4x/8x (a card which has been in the market for almost a year !)...



    The short answer to your query is that some of our competitors have major 'publisher relations' programmes focused on the people who put the game on the shelf...

    ...while we have a massive developer relations programme running with the people who right the code

    If you want to know the kind of standard that we work to - check out this.. http://www.ati.com/technology/isfcert.html




    (BTW: These are just my thoughts on the subject - maybe I am completely wrong and have no idea what I am talking about)
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    "NVIDIA – Telling us the way it should be played?" - or how it shouldn't be played. My lovelly GF4 Ti4200 - perfectly fast enough to run battlefield2 (got the demo), but it requires a shader hack from some kind gentleman to get it working. When the Nvidia logo flashes up at the start it always makes me laugh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbouk
    ...Ti4200...
    Now that was a cracking card !

    Would you feel comfortable sharing the info on the 'adjustment' with other owners so that they can enjoy the creamy goodness of BF2 ?
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    I'm STILL having to use a no cd crack for BF2 because my system doesn't recognise that the CD is in. I say no CD crack, what I really mean is a mini ISO and Daemon Tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal
    Just reflash the firmware or get a new drive rather then moan.

    £15 for a new Sony DVD Drive.
    1. I have reflashed the firmware - for both of my drives.
    2. I'm not buying a new drive just on the off chance it would work with BF2. I'll stick with my mini ISO thanks

    EDIT: I'd just like to point out that I have the full retail version of the game which was bought at the retail price using money. I have to use a mini ISO to get it running on my system. Nothing dodgy about that.
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    I've got a brand-new NEC dual layer DVD writer and a new-ish Lite On DVD drive and the Starforce copy protection won't allow the game to run in either of them.

    Calls to to EA tech support resulted in a very helpful chap sending me links to a couple of sites, but the patches etc didn't help.

    I find it ironic that publishers and developers are protecting their software so heavily that it drives bonefide owners to seek out no-cd patches just to run the game they legitimately own... invariably the no-cd cracks are hosted on warze sites and so if you weren't aware of the pirated files available, you sure as hell will be after having to find a no-cd patch to get your £35 game to work!

    And before anyone decides to jump on an EA bashing bandwagon, EA are doing exactly the same as any publisher and trying to protect their product. I'm not singling EA out here as I ahd exactly the same issues with Far Cry.

    Edit: PS, Andrzej, I wondered how long it'd take you to find this thread!

    PPS. Not that I'm trying to be argumentative, but unless I've misunderstood NVIDIA, they are claiming to have the largest developer relations team in the business. So Mr Humber says, anyways, which is why the article says:

    NVIDIA are claiming that they have more engineers dedicated to assisting developers than any other company in the business, including Microsoft and Sony.
    Would you care to answer that one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick
    I've got a brand-new NEC dual layer DVD writer and a new-ish Lite On DVD drive and the Starforce copy protection won't allow the game to run in either of them.

    Calls to to EA tech support resulted in a very helpful chap sending me links to a couple of sites, but the patches etc didn't help.

    I find it ironic that publishers and developers are protecting their software so heavily that it drives bonefide owners to seek out no-cd patches just to run the game they legitimately own... invariably the no-cd cracks are hosted on warze sites and so if you weren't aware of the pirated files available, you sure as hell will be after having to find a no-cd patch to get your £35 game to work!

    And before anyone decides to jump on an EA bashing bandwagon, EA are doing exactly the same as any publisher and trying to protect their product. I'm not singling EA out here as I ahd exactly the same issues with Far Cry.

    Edit: PS, Andrzej, I wondered how long it'd take you to find this thread!

    PPS. Not that I'm trying to be argumentative, but unless I've misunderstood NVIDIA, they are claiming to have the largest devleoper relations team in the business. So Mr Humber says, anyways, which is why the article says:



    Would you care to answer that one?
    Thanks for the backup!

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    Nope, dongles a la Robocop 3 on the Amiga or un-photocopiable, grey shaded code books as found for Elite!

    Or we could have a telephone activation system with a premium rate number so we can pay £1.50 a minute to be told an activation code... just like MS do with XP... unless you're installing it for the 3rd time in which case they won't give it to you and expect you to buy a new copy...
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