I think bit-torrent can be very usefull for open source stuff. Often you'll find software where they have limited hosting that goes very slow(maybe 10Kb/s) or you can just jump in a bit-torrent swarm where you might get 20-30Kb/s. Bit Torrents just smarter then old style servers in theory. If there was a way of making everyone get a 1:1 ratio then it would be better still.
The problem with P2P is it can lead to abilitys some believe to be unatural
Eh? Black Magic? Can it make me fly like superman?Originally Posted by Darth Sidious
I get 240kbps regularly - like anything else P2P need seeders to make it work well. Problem is a lot of people don't bother, and thus speeds suffer. Ratio based sites (which force people to upload which answers someone else's question) work really well and speeds are excellent as a result.
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I'm not really sad to see the loss of either of those, never used them and i'm sure people will just 'migrate' to something else.
As for the speed of BT i regulary max out my connection (800k/sec or close to) on stuff i download but then again i don't use any public sites.
Force people to upload? Doesnt sound like a legit use of P2P to me...
I accept though that if there are enough seeders you will get perfectly acceptable speeds, still not up to that of a server hosted with and OC-XX connection or whatever but good enough for most of us
The problem is that while this CAN be the case it normally isnt..I get terrbile (relativly) speeds from blizzards downloader, and often grabbing linux ISOs off P2P can be a right pain, which is why i normally use the ftp option if available
But anyway we've moved slightly off topic, the fact remains that the majority of P2P networks out there are used by 99% of their users for illegal things, sharing movies, games, apps, mp3s etc etc and the closure of such networks/programs can only be a good thing..you can't really argue against it without freely admitting to being a pirate
illegal use of DVD-/+R should we stop selling them completely?
I agree that its damn anoying when big companies use p2p for distrobution, its even more anoying when people think its a good idea.
But also that people can't see the obvious draw back, 24meg down, how many meg up? 8meg down, what speed up?
Granted them smart guys at MS labs have finaly got round to adding parity into the equation, which i've found to give a more impressive speed than BT (no waiting at the end on exotic torrents). But its still not enough.
Any centralised P2P system, can always be taken down, but its like drugs. Theres no point arresting a dealer and expecting it to stop. Supply & Demand. They need to stop the demand, which is quite a problem really seeing as everyone hates the record companies who get virtually all the money on cd sales.
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Umm, yeah - it's kinda the whole point - think of it as "share and enjoy". Poor dl rates are a result of people leeching a file and then bugging off as soon as they've got it (e.g. after downing 100% and upping 20%). Ratio sites _work_ because people need a stick to upload - i.e. if you don't put back what you take, then you can't have anymore. It's a simple system, with the tracker watching what you up and down and keeping a note of it in relation to a user name on a forum. Not only do you promote much higher speeds, but you prolong the life of a torrent too. Other networks have done that same in various ways - e.g. by limiting your download speed if you don't upload (or are unconnectable). I seed as much as i download, and i don't see the problem with that. I agree that the inherently slower up speed of connections doesn't help matters much tho - i'd rather have, say, a 2 meg symetrical line than 8 meg adsl given the choice..
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The problem is that while this CAN be the case it normally isnt..I get terrbile (relativly) speeds from blizzards downloader, and often grabbing linux ISOs off P2P can be a right pain, which is why i normally use the ftp option if available
The blizzard downloader saturates the upload and slows the whole thing down, if they had a limiter on the upload i'm sure it'd be alot faster. If i don't have at least 15k/sec upload free then my connection slows to a crawl...
Ah yes that makes all the difference - on my connection (2mbit adsl) i find 24k upload limit makes it fast/usable for surfing. It does depend on client tho - setting that on bitcomet still snows the connection (20k works) but in azureus and utorrent 24k works fine.
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On a 256Kb/s upload I can go up to 28 in Shadows client before feeling my browsing slows, gaming on the other hand, needs to be under 20/10 to be able to get under 100ping, I wish someone would make some decent QoS for games/file transfer.
Show me a legal site that forces this then...I know that some illegal sites do it (and by illegal i mean ones carrying torrents for pirated stuff, even if the legality of torrents themselves is a grey area) but I've never heard of say the people who supply the torrents for a linux distro doing it..
silly comparison..the majority of DVD/CD writing isn't illegal...whereas 99% of people using P2P networks are sharing illegal stuff. (BT isnt a network at such, its an implementation of p2p yes? each tracker could be considered a network i guess though)
And you probably won't - if it's done commercially it's pretty fair to expect a company to have a seed on a big fat pipe with lots of bandwidth (comparitively). I'm only seeking to point out that you can make p2p work in a fair way, rather than saying it always does.
What are these illegal sites you've seen then?
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How do you track whether discs are used illegally then? I'd say you can't. I'd also be prepared to put a large wad down on the fact that most of it _is_ illegal, remembering there isn't such a thing as 'fair use' in the uk. Where it differs is that you can't get caught when doing it for personal use
I seem to remember that both the movie and film industry have campaigned for a tax on blank media in various countries.
It's a fair comparison, as the technology doesn't make it illegal - users do that by finding illegal uses for it.
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Dangel yes i know hence why i was attacking the p2p networks in terms of their legality - not the tech behind it. I just have a severe dislike for p2p itself, but there is a distinction between P2P and P2P networks like gnutella(sp?) etc
And why would i want to help out bottom feeder pirates by giving out links to bit torrent sites....or risk my hexus account for that matter. The ones i came up with for refernce to this post were just from google anyway seeing as i dont use/dont even intend to use bit torrent...
I always find the spade analogy quite good here: If i give you a spade you can plant some nice veg, but you can also lop someone's head off with it
Should we ban spades?
Point is, most technologies can be used for bad things, but it doesn't mean they're inherently evil by design. Hell, there's people out there who want to ban the internet itself because of some of the things you can do with it.
Was winding you up about the sites m8 lol
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