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wmv is a better codec than mp3 (DRM-less). Still, that doesn't mean I like it.
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Yes i know its better than mp3 in many ways, but just because something is slightly better doesnt mean we would want to use itI prefer to use Apple Lossless anyhow if i have the space
I meant wma not wmv though.ops:
To call a Creative Zen is a little sad, especially since most of you probably turn to Creative for the best sound solutions for your PC too.
Heh, I'm quite enjoying this thread. The usual 'Apple bashing' as Menthel pointed out.
However this is priceless >
Yea yea, Apple made a 'boo boo'. Tbh don't they always? Every single Rev A product to hit the shelves 'usually' has a few glitches, and some are quite serious. The 15" Alu Pbooks had screen issues, keyboard issues. G5s had overheating and other issues. Steve said it: "This is a new design, ground up"...
I'm not making excuses for Apple but they simply don't 'test' their products enough..but then again what's a better test than a 'real world' simulation?
I figure some marketing exec has decide that it is 'cheaper' to cash out on all the buyers that go "oooh I must have this at any cost", let them 'test' it and put up with any issues. If it has problems it would still be cheaper for Apple to replace them and if there are no issues Apple is up a couple million dollars. At the end of the day it is cheaper to have the customer purchase the product and have it replaced rather than in house testing (maybe), also they would be considering the number of users to be put off Apple products - obviously they don't care too much about these...
For getting the latest hardware out there you pay a price (litterally) and as part of the package you play guinea pig to any problems associated with the product. Wait for the next release (Rev B) and they'll probably have these problems ironed out...who knows if it gets TERRIBLY serious they might issuing a product recall.
Just my 2 cents, --Mike
Last edited by bsodmike; 27-09-2005 at 10:34 AM.
Apple are rubbish though? Did anyone expect better?
They didnt need to make it scratch proof because all the fashoin victims are going to go and buy one anyway. Even if it didnt play music im sure they would buy one jsut for the the status symbol (yes I am looking at all you 4x4 people).
I think eventually the public might learn...or is that me being overly optermistic?
Ah well...
The sensible people will stay away
Twigman
I'm sure a few of us have seen the Nano's commercial on TV by now - looking at how its handled on the ocmmercial, especially the last part where the other perosns hand attempts to get at it, seems they must have gone through about 50 Nanos in the making
... rubbish eh, hence why 99% of the time nothing goes wrong, OSX crashes once every 10 years, their products are used in almost all top end graphic design, video editing and audio editing situations etc etc...everything (usually) just works.Apple are rubbish though? Did anyone expect better?
They didnt need to make it scratch proof because all the fashoin victims are going to go and buy one anyway. Even if it didnt play music im sure they would buy one jsut for the the status symbol (yes I am looking at all you 4x4 people).
I think eventually the public might learn...or is that me being overly optermistic?
Ah well...
The sensible people will stay away
You don't need to 'learn' to use an iPod, or an iBook, or an iMac etc, you just use it. What little learning there is to do for osx pales in comparison to what new users have to learn for windows...but this isnt an apple vs the world thread really so i'll leave this there
With respect to your fashion comments - yes your right, lots of people will buy a nano because of its looks - any why not? The iPod line does something the Zen/Zen touch/iRiver and all the others can't do - looks amazing and has the functionality and simplicity to go with it. Ok so the Zen can play wma..wow big deal, i would bet that 90% of peoples music is in mp3 format..you could argue that the audio playback is better on the iPod rivals, ok fair enough it might be 1% better (if indeed you can quantify it) but are you really going to notice the difference? No ofc not it would be like trying to hear the difference between 10 and 30 pound speaker wire, its just not going to happen.
The iPod is a good product, with the nano being marred by a dodgy decision in screen material.
So hip and trendy
I have to admit, they all look so cool, and their iPods definately help them all to aquire companionship, because of how cool, hip and trendy it makes them all look.
Last edited by Michael; 27-09-2005 at 11:14 AM.
Michael : heh, well I guess what is important is that they are happy, apart from the german looking guy at the end...somehow the iPod makes no difference there heh
Really no point in dragging this on and on, but I just finished a lecture and walked past the dean's office; now this is the dean for the School of EEE @ the Uni of Leeds...he is using a powerbook and from what I can remember (quick glance) it seemed like a 17" Powerbook. Another one of my previous lecturers who is leading research into using DNA and electronics uses a G5 (and I think he has it linked up to a farm of linux boxes)... Take into account that the whole univerisity has every cluster (maybe over 1000-1500 dell terminals, running P4s) running windows and these people are using Macs. Obviously something must be working right
Like any fruit basket there is always the odd 'rotten apple' but in anycase this has been Apples 'marketing strategy'. If you are impulsive pay the price or wait a bit and get it for cheaper minus the flaws
Last edited by bsodmike; 27-09-2005 at 12:15 PM.
I'm deffo not one of the beautiful people and I have powerbook AND an ipod. However, go inot the apple shop, its just like any other computer shop, full of freaks and wierdos (and tourists)!
Not around too often!
Indeed, iriver are been very silly, as are creative, but the biggest looser of all ladies & gentlmen is:
Sony.
Why? Sony have the money, the resorces and the market penetration to make it through. They could even make software to let you rip CDs via the PS2. The hd series have consitantly been smaller, lighter, and had longer size than the iPods, not to mention atrac is better compression.....
but no, you goto waterloo you see hudge posters reminding people their not cool, and they will not get to fornicate with that desperately hot 19 year old tourist opersite them on the tube enless they go and buy one.
I bash apple because i can see NO REASON to buy one, the only thing you've been able to say they do well is advertise it. I damn well agree. But apple are ment to be a technology firm, not some PR company. This is why i hate apple, crappy OS (give me a proper BSD any day). Over priced, under powered hardware. Then to top it off, they've only just got a remotely decent mouse, but wait, u can't rest ur fingers on it properly. I hate apple so damn much.
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well i guess your entitled to your opinion, but why on earth do you think apples hardware is underpowered lol, you can't compare mhz to mhz as its a totally different architechture..its not an x86 derivative(sp?) its (almost) legacy free - which is one of the reasons why you can have so much power from a (relativly) low clockspeed. If it's underpowered why is it used for high end video editing etc? think about what your saying before you start typing....Overpriced yes can't fault you there, poor mouse yes i cant fault you there either..crappy OS? lol have you ever used OSX panther or tiger? and why would you want a bsod anyway..i'm happier without the constant crashes and whining of windows thank you very much
Apple may be a tech firm yes but that's not how they see themselves, if you have ever seen any of Steve Job's speeches or read up on apple (wikipedia is a good place to start) you will see that they have a focus on things working and looking great - not purely on the tech but also on how it fits into your life..
but heh like i said you are entitled to your opinion, freedom of speech and all but some proper justification would be nice
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okay, i don't know if the lol's are an age or a culture thing, but okay.rofl
well i guess your entitled to your opinion, but why on earth do you think apples hardware is underpowered lol, you can't compare mhz to mhz as its a totally different architechture..its not an x86 derivative(sp?) its (almost) legacy free
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but heh like i said you are entitled to your opinion, freedom of speech and all but some proper justification would be nice
I do more programming work with uCs, than i do with PCs. So let me tell you whilst you can't do a mhz for mhz comparison, you can to an extent do MIPS, but then you can have MMIPS (extra M is for "meaningful").
Now, i don't want to get too technical here, so i'll say it simply, apple have ditched the PPC for a reason. Its crap. If you want more explaination of why, just read the developer information. You just don't get a good bang per transitor, or per buck.
Then too add insult to injury, when i first heard the news apple were going intel, i thought yey someones going to make intel do quad core P-M. Alas no. They've releasised that there users are so stupid they can use the nice big supply of p4.
I've yet to see a single innovaition from apple that makes me think wow, thats neat, i thought the apple glowing was cool, and nice idea (use the CCFL for the TFT) but then i saw what happens when theres a birght light behind it.
BSOD, i was compairing OSX to BSD. But funny you mention that, on my personal 7 WinNT systems, i've yet to see a blue screen of death. What a good OS! (I have however seen a few panics n segs get messed on my linux box, there, now thats the linux v windows covered).
Its intresting how you considered my above response un justified, i thought i explained it well.
oh and video editing, last time i checked the market share seamed to be silicon graphics were the daddy? A lot of old Acorn (a company who couldn't sell ice in the desert) computers which had the ARM CPU (Intel License ARM now) which kicked arse.
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I think the main reason Apple infact ditched the PPC architecture is because IBM was having trouble even reaching 3Ghz. Heat is a major factor here and that would have limited or actually made Apple release 'zero' new updates over the next year...with nothing to look forward too. G5 laptops? Forget it, no chance with the IBM PPCs.
Well yes I understand your point of 'more bang for the clock' and that's what Apple has been doing so far - 1 point something Ghz G4 performing as fast as AMD/Intel chips running almost twice as fast. Of course imagine how much faster it would run on x86 (again can't really compare this as it's comparing apples to um oranges), and well that's pretty much why they've shifted. Future scaleability with chips running quite fast without running extremely hot. At least you must give Apple props for actually 'thinking' of considering x86 as a backup for all these years.
Still I don't really care. You remind me of a friend who rather jump off a cliff rather than admit that Apple have designed a pretty sweet OS and the hardware ain't too bad after all - now before you go at me on this point, yes it is behind the PC market why? Because the fact that they every Mac on that line has the same hardware. It's like going out and buying a PS2 or Gamecube - it is a 'defined' list of hardware. Now for this list to be defined it takes time to spec it together, test it and of course release it. At the end of the day you allow programmers to code with out having to worry about WHAT hardware you are running, they know it'll work but the price you pay for this is that quite a bit of the stuff are behind the times.
Of course Apple has abused this a fair bit and they are still shipping some systems with underpowered gfxs (IMHO) but that's cause Apple targets these units (e.g. Mac mini) towards the Mr. n00bie that'll probably use iTunes and Safari for the life span of the machine.
Rather than attacking the products and the OS if I were to attack anything it would be Apples marketing strategy. They should no longer think only about the people that DO NOT use computers but instead realize that if they are to win over the PC sector that quite a few of the people out there do a lot more than basic tasks and even if they don't there are many out there that care a lot more about what is 'inside' their machine rather than what they achieve with it...
I could go on and on but I think I'll leave it at this, as someone earlier mentioned "to each his own"...
Last edited by bsodmike; 27-09-2005 at 05:20 PM.
Well said mike
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