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    DRM built into your disk drive

    "Trusted" computing is making a step "forward" with an announcement that DRM could find its way into the controllers of hard drives.
    There's a mechanism that exists in an HDD between the I/O processor and the read/write head, and unless that's secured, that small distance becomes the weak link in the chain. "It's that last inch, or half-inch, of movement and manipulation that's always been the sensitive aspect of some of these control systems. Now that you've got the sensitive and secure computation right on the drive media itself, you maybe are closing that little half-inch."
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    Would you trust your DRM'd hard drive? Would you really know what was actually being stored on your hard drive if such a system was implemented? Let us know what you think.
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    Put it this way, whichever companies start doing this; I won't buy from them.

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    You say that like we'll have a choice. Get a drive without DRM and certain software and files just won't install any more, I'll bet.
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    But in the end the consumer *should* be able to have the power to decide not to use these

    I certainly wouldn't buy one
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    doesnt sound good, it feels like we are being screwed down and told to conform. not good

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    Quote Originally Posted by kempez815
    But in the end the comsumer *should* be able to have the power to decide not to use these

    I certainly wouldn't buy one
    I agree, but I'm trying to be realistic. Most people won't know, or care, what's going on.
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    The whole TPM shenanigans with Vista is more than slightly concerning - by the looks if you don't subscribe to these things you won't get Vista to run.



    Until it gets cracked of course. Linux here we come baby! I really don't see how this would help secure our data - has nobody here had to retrieve data by taking a drive out of one machine and slaving it up to another?

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    well with this and the other content protection schemes for content( hd films/ music down loads/etc) its going to be a nightmare for the consumer. Its bad now add vista and this it may be impossible to use your paid for content as you want to, ( no backups, no using another device,etc). when are the law makers going to stop this farce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sire Eris
    well with this and the other content protection schemes for content( hd films/ music down loads/etc) its going to be a nightmare for the consumer. Its bad now add vista and this it may be impossible to use your paid for content as you want to, ( no backups, no using another device,etc). when are the law makers going to stop this farce?
    when the media companies stop paying them off

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    No offence Steve, but every news post you seem to make for HEXUS about this subject seems to take this "gragh evil DRM" stance. All it does is spread a lot of half-truths, and from the looks of things in this thread, a lot of people have the wrong idea. TPM is aimed at the corporate desktop looking to secure their data, it's not going to spy on you and stop you downloading your MP3s. I suppose I should say OGGs, open sauce 4 lyfe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caged
    No offence Steve, but every news post you seem to make for HEXUS about this subject seems to take this "gragh evil DRM" stance. All it does is spread a lot of half-truths, and from the looks of things in this thread, a lot of people have the wrong idea. TPM is aimed at the corporate desktop looking to secure their data, it's not going to spy on you and stop you downloading your MP3s. I suppose I should say OGGs, open sauce 4 lyfe!
    who gains from:

    * region coding on DVD
    * forced segments (such as copyright notices) on DVD
    * hardware lock-down on software (such as dell-mobo-only windows CDs)
    * non-playback of HD media without an approved HDCP setup (i.e. a Sony XPMCE machine, and *nothing else*)
    * playback restrictions on WMA-DRM or M4P audio files bought from the net (such that your data's buggered if you format your hard disk)
    * "audio cd" which doesn't play in anything but a hi-fi (and may damage your computer if you try & play it on one)

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    I agree with you on the 'fake' audio CD part and region coding on DVDs, and to the same extent with HDCP, since people who want to copy it will find ways round it, but this isn't what TPM is about.

    Audio files with DRM are simply there to stop people going crazy, buying a track once and then sending it round to everyone they know, and it doesn't get in the way of the everyday consumer. You back your files up to another drive / DVD, and when the time comes to load it back on your computer, you try to play the file, it tells you to authenticate, connects to the licensing server, and then you are granted the license to play that song. I honestly can't see a flaw in that system at all, and it works almost transparently to the end user. Yes you could be using an unsupported OS or audio player, but then you wouldn't be using that music store anyway.

    If you're expecting content producers to embrace digital distribution, then you have to expect that they are going to want some kind of reassurance that they won't be ripped off.

    Trusted computing and Digital Rights Management are not the same thing.

    At the end of the day though, HEXUS.news shouldn't be introducing bias into reports, it should be up to the reader to decide. Putting words like "trusted" and "forward" in quotes doesn't present a balanced viewpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caged
    At the end of the day though, HEXUS.news shouldn't be introducing bias into reports, it should be up to the reader to decide. Putting words like "trusted" and "forward" in quotes doesn't present a balanced viewpoint.
    but "trusted" by whom?

    if a child rapist renames himself a "mutual satisfaction provider", does that change the nature of the beast?

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    I haven't read right to the end on the TG daily article as i'm at work and i don't have time but from what i've read the argument for trusted computing seems to be a good one IF the process is transparent to the end user. One of my main concerns would be having software on my machine that i didn't know was running, i would be much more at ease if i knew what was going on behind the scenes, or at least have the option to view and understand the process.

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    After the Sony DRM rootkit debacle there is absolutely no way I will go near any software let alone hardware that introduces this evil to my pc. How can you be sure that this technology is not going to invade your privacy or cock about with other legitimate (rival?) software/programs. It took a highly technical expert to find out what the sony rootkit did so how am I supposed to know what the software/hardware is doing?

    Resistance is useless you will be assimilated - no I bloody won't! Unfortunately these companies are going to force ordinary law abiding users like me to go down the route of using cracked software just so I can use my pc the way I want to. There is absolutely no benefit to the end user, infact the enduser, me the CUSTOMER, is screwed and treated like a criminal not to be trusted.

    I will look at using Linux for everyday tasks with a dual boot cracked windows just for games if this crap is forced on me.
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