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Penryn is Intel's first 45nm CPU family, with some fancy technology like 'High-k' and 'Metal Gate' featured in it. Penryn family processors have been fabbed and Intel say they've got them working, but production hasn't been ramped up yet; they will hit the market in the second half of this year, which gives us time to explain what these fancy words mean. Shall we...?
I know this is slightly off topic but I live near Penryn :lol:
Argh I was just about to buy conroe. Why must Intel tease me :(
mm maybe i dont HAVE to replace my x2 just yet..... i could wait for the 45nm chips.......
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well they work in existing conroe motherboards tho...or am i gonna get stung for yet another board upgrade?
Usually you need a new mobo because the new cpu\'s use a lower voltage that your older mobo cant do....but i think with new mobos doing speedstep and powernow and all that power-saving jazz....we should be ok.
if the voltages are too high, you\'ll just have to overclock it, to absorb the extra volts, like :D
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This man's got the idea :)Quote:
Originally Posted by funnelhead
Yay macbook pro should get some of these at some point :)
in all honestly, X2 is just fine for almost everything today.. even games for that matter..
Makes perfect sense to just wait it out for the 45nm chips..
Taken from DailyTech's new post...Quote:
Originally Posted by vrykyl
""Motherboard developers will have to make some minor changes to support [Penryn]. We can't guarantee that a person could just plug the chip into every motherboard on the market today." However, Smith also claimed the Penryn boot test that grabbed so many headlines last week occurred on unmodified hardware that included a notebook, several desktop motherboards and several server motherboards."
That suggests a yes, but they can't guarentee it in every case without actually testing it.
Knowing the reasons Conroe's wouldn't work in earlier boards (or BadAxe at least) I'd imagine that it won't be a problem this time around.
I think there should be an article saying exactly which processors we will all be buying in a few months time: AMD Barcelona/Stars or Intel Penryn?
As has been said above there can't be any guarantees about individual boards as yet, but Intel have pretty good form as far as backwards compatibility is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by vrykyl
Coppermines worked on Deschutes/Katmai boards, Prescotts worked on Northwood/Willamette boards. Hell, Tualatins worked on Katmai boards with some simple modifications and that's a two generation jump when you think about it.
The times there have been big problems in this area have been the occasions when the CPU package design changed, and as it doesn't seem as though they're making any changes to the physical or electrical design of LGA775 for Penryn, it should then be down to motherboard manufacturers updating BIOSes with the appropriate microcode updates and VRM programming, as and where necessary.
Even if the manufacturers don't support it directly, if it can be done, you can guarantee that some of the enthusiasts will find out the way.
it will be interesting what performance jump this will bring and if it allows any increase in clock speed etc (not always guarenteed - look at amd's 65nm part)
Pentium 60 :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Richh
From what I've seen 3.46-3.73GHz and a reduced TDP were the target.Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieBen
AMD told us from the off that there would be no performance gain, it was purely to lower power consumption and die size. they will be using it to prepare themselves for Barcelona while still being able to produce processors right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieBen
Intel on the other hand are suggesting tasty improvements. i MAY HAVE to jump on this bandwagon... the current Core2 is good enough but cooler and faster (and potentially cheaper) is going to be hard to resist
man this is all going rather fast isnt it? what next 1nm?
Indeed, and Intel only have to look at the royal screwup that was Prescott as an example of how not to execute a die-shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieBen
...and that is probably where Intel's new-found competitiveness has come from. The Netburst failure has cost them money as well as pride, and a number of staffers paid for it as a result. One presumes the folk with responsibility for the Core line will be looking at that and now know that getting complacent or sloppy, or allowing marketing requirements to override design - as happened with Netburst - is not the way for a technology company to work.
45nm 32nm 22nm 16nm coming up apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamtheoneneo
This may be of interest the size of fab process to be used next is chosen by the magic 0.7 number, all things been equal it will product a chip ~half the area of last generation process.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadduckUK
Ifyou wait for Penryn, you\'ll be just about to buy, then something else will be announced, you\'ll wait for that, and it goes on and on and on and on....Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckskull
I know, I know :P I was gonna get a E6600 I might get an E4300 and an OEM vista instead. Seeing as I've re-used my OEM XP license on far too many machines now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Fishcake
I have a much simpler strategy for upgrades.
"Right, I need to upgrade. What's good now? K, I'll get that then..."
Almost as simple as mine "Whats new this week?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve